In a message dated 9/6/2006 8:22:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Wasatchgld@xxxxxxx writes: There's also the matter that most of the dogs Cesar works with on his show have been through multiple 'trainers' and classes with no success. These dogs often have already bitten their owners and guests, and Ceasar is literally the last resort for these animals and their owners. Even at that, his preferred leash and collar is thread thin - the heavier stuff is only used if that is all the owner has on hand. You hit the nail on the head Janice:) I don't have the temperament to work with people and their dogs. (Don't know how you do it Sheila!) Oh, the dogs are fine, but here's a simple exercise.... sit in a vets office and watch what comes in. All sorts of things out of control. Then you have to wonder what goes on at home. If you really have a few minutes, continue to watch and get into why people have their pets. For some, the golden or lab goes with the two kids, a beamer and a place in the country. For others, you can see the (often pampered, spoiled rotten, bratty) pets are surrogate children. Then we have the macho crowd w/ pit-types dripping in obnoxious collars. Pet bling! Is it any wonder the dogs are a mess? I was in the vets yesterday and the counter was littered with brochures for "trainers". I don't have the answer (except to keep my dog in the van until it's our turn and avoid the melee!), but I really don't think Cesar is the problem. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================