Kathy I could not agree more. Our line generally lives 10 plus years. We recently lost a very large female--25 inches-- at 13 plus years. i think the gene pool is important but equally important is diet and avoidance of chemical toxins in the environment-- such as chemicals on the grass or kennel etc. as well as what we use for "their benefit". We have them for such a short time so be kind and help them live a long fruitful life. Morton -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> To: helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:59 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: An observation This isn't necessarily true. We have as some of you know, a Caucasion Ovtcharka. She is about 31 inches tall and conservatively now at maturity 145 lbs. this breed lives a healthy , robust 12-15 years. It is nothing to see a 13 y/o ovtcharka still doing its guardian thing. I believe many of our problems can be linked directly to over vaccination, over medication, and linebreeding. This ovtcharka bitch can eat ANYTHING. She never , ever gets diarrhea, regardless of the food, or the prey, or scraps...NEVER. As Barbara Williams so perfectly put it, we are breeding "hot house dogs"....and not just us, many breeds are falling into this. Dogs that can't eat, can't breed, can't work. We see dobies dropping of heart attacks at 4 and 5, we see Danes, and other breeds barely making it to middle age. We see dogs in our OWN breed dying before 4 years of age, tragically, as with Hudson, and Con Man...such nice dogs with such great promise . A loss to our breed.. Such a huge , huge loss to their loving owners...my heart just breaks for them all. Such nice people too. Am I saying stop close linebreeding, etc? No. It is a calculated risk for us all. I do believe however that over vaccination, and the rampant use of things like antibiotics, and flea/tick pills may be doing more harm than we realize. Genetics plays an obvious and huge role....(which is why we try to very carefully incorporate import lines) So size doesn't necessarily have much to do with it...vitality, vigor, health...comes in all sizes. Kathy http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com ~or~ http://www.germanshepherdssocal.com PUP-DATED: MAR 8, 2009 HOME OF: CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WE SUPPORT DRUG AND DYE TESTING On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:46 PM, <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> wrote: > The bigger the breed, the shorter the life span.? Great danes 7,8 and toy > poodles 16. > And they say size doesn't matter...... > Helen > ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind ar e permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================