I have to agree with Evan....Surprise. The only way to learn is get your butt kicked over and over. Watch and learn/ I handled for 5 years before I got my first point on a dog. Then got a good one and finshed her. It was always enjoyable because of the people, but then became fun just knowing you always had a chance it u had a good dog. BobI remember when I started to show dogs, I got in there with the "Big Boys" and got my ass kicked regularly. I couldn't win anything, but I watched and learned. ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Ginsburg (Redacted sender "elg440@xxxxxxx" for DMARC) To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 1:32 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Amateur class I didn't like this from the start. I remember when I started to show dogs, I got in there with the "Big Boys" and got my ass kicked regularly. I couldn't win anything, but I watched and learned. Then we bred a better dog/bitch combination, Dragon Slayer and Destiny. I had won some before them, but they made me realize if you want to handle, you had best compete with the best or you won't learn. I don't mind the amateur as far as giving someone a chance to have fun, but they can have even more fun by competing with the best. What I did object to, and still do, is taking an hour and a half to judge three entries. I would just give it up as we did the AKC class, and some day perhaps the long coat class. Everyone should compete on the same grounds, and you will find if you have the better dogs, you will win. I did, and I sure was steadily out handled. Evan -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: candiasgsd <candiasgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; edwinx <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: 'S howlist' <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Mar 18, 2015 1:10 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Just asking/ 86 it or fix it Originally when I was on the Committee I had suggested we just insert ONE AMATEUR CLASS into the Futurity....and ONE AMATEUR CLASS into the Maturity as people wanted an Amateur class. SAME Futurity, same Judge, same Maturity, same judge....just ONE class for Futurity and ONE for Maturity in each sex....no matter what the age. I have no idea how it grew to be such a complicated part of our Futurities. I say '86' it.....or fix it. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com On Behalf Of Candy Zumwalt To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Just asking I haven't even looked at the counts, but my vote would be yes. Candy Zumwalt www.candiasgsd.net Home of Sel.Ex.Ch.Laslar-Candia's Black Bart TC BIM Sel.Ex.GCh.Candia's Yada Yada Yada TC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Just asking Is it time to "86" the Amateur Futurity?... The club does not seem to support this..don't care one way or another... Ed Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App --