Ameteur means not paid/not professional. It does not mean no experience. The ameteur futurity was not put together specifically so that a novice can win. It was created so that folks who want to owner/handle their dogs get a fair shot. There are TONS of ameteurs that do as good, or better, job than many of those that call themselves professional. Don't believe me?? Just go to an all breed show and watch the Senior Junior Showmanship classes. Most of those kids out do the professionals on a regular basis - and with less dog!! Other than GSDs and a few other select breeds, most dogs are still owner handled. Many breeds have their quality animals, not in open but in bred by. Years ago, back in my skinnier days, I showed Arabs professionally for the largest Arab farm on the east coast. We travelled all over the country just running the show circuit [you think dog shows are a hassle try moving EIGHTEEN horses, tack, carts, supplies, feed, and people!!] The owner and his wife would show up and ride in the AOTR classes [Ameteur Owner To Ride]. We did all the work, they had all the fun. At least the ameteurs at the dog shows do their own grooming!! LOL -- Suzanne www.tsalishepherds.com Home of BIS/BISS Ch Yancy ITs HT PT RE CD TC CGC BH, Helios IPO3, Ch Flair, Tess [162 PLUS ROM points/55 ATAA points], Lil' Miss Gilli RN[Mjr Res Winner] and all the others waiting at the bridge. Website updated 06/07 -------------- Original message -------------- From: <jdm_gsd@xxxxxxxx> > My thought of an Amateur Futurity > I thought this was supposed to be about Amateurs. Amateurs didn't have mucth > of > a chance in the Amateur Futurity when you have well trained dogs with good > handlers showing the dogs. Nothing against well trained dogs. A person, who > is > not often in the ring should be showing the dog. That is my idea of an > Amateur. > . Not some-one who week after week is showing dogs. I think that it took away > some of the fun that new people was meant to have. To get their dog in the > winners circle. > Dottie > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================