I totally agree with my learned friend Lee. As an exhibitorfor over 40 years and a retired judge the arguments are weak against the All Breed Shows,"The rings are too small", "the judges are bad", "people show in All Breed because they can't win at our Specialty Shows". Balderdash ! I have shown in both rings my whole dog life experience with two breeds and it always starts with what you have at the end of the leash. Plus we have one of the most intelligent breed God has ever bestowed on mankind, the GSD. He can judge the ring and his own movement. Currently,We have been showing Hunter in both venues and have done extremely well. And we will continue showing him at All Breed Shows. I would like to say to my many doubting GSD fanciers go out and try an All-Breed Show, I think you will like it. Who knows, you might win. Tony Amoroso Ps; Many All Breed Dog clubs can be negotiated with to accomodate a larger ring for GSD's. They are also interested in entries. And if they will accomadate you they will usually ask you for a name of a judge you want. Some of the finest judges you will ever encounter come from the All-Breed Ring. T ----- Original Message ----- From: VSabiaB@xxxxxxx<mailto:VSabiaB@xxxxxxx> To: Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx> ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: All breed shows vs specialty: Why not BOTH??? In a message dated 6/16/2008 6:15:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: Their comments smack of ignorance and maybe sour grapes. FOR ME, I BELIEVE THAT A GOOD DOG CAN DO IT AND SHOULD DO IT IN BOTH RINGS. The fault therein lies in people not doing their homework (for either ring) on ANY JUDGES. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree Penny!! Vicki _Von Charisma German Shepherds_ (http://members.aol.com/VAbby17801/VCGShepherds.html<http://members.aol.com/VAbby17801/VCGShepherds.html>) My sunshine does not come from the skies, It comes from the love in my dogs eyes. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007<http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:admin@xxxxxxxxxxx>. VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org<http://www.showgsd.org/> ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================