[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: All animals are NOT equal
- From: "Samuel Israel" <israelfriedberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:02:02 -0700
Sorry to say this, but the GSDCA is called that for a reason-- it only
really concerns GSDs. If a dog is truly great, he will go select during his
lifetime-- maybe not his first time out or his second time out, but he will
go select. The great ones cannot be denied. That is my opinion. We are
not a club of dogs and if your dog does well competing against dogs he is in
the parade of greats. He must do well against GSDs competing at our
National show against the top GSDs in the country and Canada and Mexico and
whoever else wants to show up. And being judged by what I think are the
best judges of GSDs, namely long time breeders of GSDs. JMO.
Having said all of that, I could care less if they expand the parade of
greats to other dogs. Just dumbing it down.
Sam
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On Behalf Of Paula M. Cooke
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:34 PM
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: All animals are NOT equal
Why Best in Show dogs? I don't understand the rationale of most of these
responses. (Not picking on you, Carol, just adding up all the responses.)
You are right, Carol. Grand Champion by itself does not mean a great dog,
anymore than Champion does. By that same LOGIC, neither does GV, GVX,
Select, or Select Excellent. AOE Select Excellent, I will grant, is a bit
more of an achievement of a great dog; more than one judge's opinion about
that particular dog puts it above the rest. The old OFA CHIC was hard to
achieve. Many dogs still can't get the new, dumbed down one because they
can't even pass the TC. Some because they can't pass hips &/or elbows!!!
Yet these same dogs are highly recommended as breed-stock by benefit of the
fact that they were rated Select or Select Excellent at a National. Dogs
who can NOT pass the TC are recommended for breeding!?!? Dogs who have bad
hips/elbows are recommended for breeding!?!? Granted, the judge doesn't
know this when awarding
the Select title, but, breeders know and the PC knows and still invites
these dogs to appear in the Parade of Greats next to hard-working
performance dogs, Hero dogs, Service dogs, etc. SOUND DOGS!! You get my
drift?? SOUND (mentally and physically) DOGS are GREAT DOGS! IMHO. I am
not denigrating the Select awards. I think getting one is a wonderful
achievement, I just don't think they deserve to be considered a GREAT
stand-alone achievement, compared to other, harder to achieve
accomplishments. One judge, one year, one good day = Select. Sometimes,
the judge is a friend. Know how many judges say, "4th is for friends?"
Well, in the past 30-some years, I have seen many Selects that "were for
friends." Good dogs for the most part (not great), but, one win just
doesn't seem to merit the prestige GSD breeders seem to consider it to be.
In my experience this past year, looking over Harley's accomplishments, I
don't think the BIS was nearly as big a deal (actually it is
a bit laughable) as the invitation to Westminster, but, then, that was a
lifetime dream, so I may be a bit prejudiced. I think his overall
accomplishments, all the things in my sig line added together, makes him a
great GSD, statistically, and per the breed standard, especially function
and form. As my house pet and companion, I KNOW he is a great dog, but,
that is MY great heart dog, not a Parade of Greats dog!! I mean NO
disrespect nor offense to anyone. Just expressing my opinions. Last year
was quite an education and I have re-evaluated my opinions about many things
in the dog show world. Things are not always as they appear. National wins
are awesome, no doubt about it, but, you would be surprised what other
things are even more awesome!! To answer a question Even posed the other
day, would I have a dog accomplish much and die young? NEVER. I would give
up everything we have done if the price of it was a short-lived dog.
Harley's grandmother, Ch. Diana, died
too young. I would give up her show career, and the birth of her grandson,
Harley, for comfortable health and longevity. She died 6 years ago and I
miss her every day. She was the soundest GSD I ever knew. One good thing,
she passed her soundness on to her grandson, but, not her health. Thank
heavens for that!! One thing I look forward to is presenting Harley,
competitively, in the Veteran's Class at a National in the future. That
would be another great accomplishment IMHO. One other thing about National
award winners.....I have learned about this breed, I have grown to love this
breed more and more having known and seen many of you. Not by virtue of
that one win, but, most National award winners are great dogs, IMHO. Paula
Home of BIS, BISS, Multi-Group Winning, GSDCA Dual Title Award Recipient,
AKC JAM/AOE, International & American Champion, Grand Champion Asgard Harley
Davidson v Plamark, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA CHIC #64047 (Hips, Elbows,
Cardiac, & Thyroid),
DNA tested clear of the long-coat factor, 2010 & Lifetime #1 GSD in
California, 2010, 2011, & Lifetime #1 GSD in Michigan, 2010 #1 Male GSD in
the Country, 2010 #3 & Lifetime #4 GSD in the Country, 1st male German
Shepherd Dog Grand Champion, (AKC Stats), 2011 Westminster Kennel Club Dog
Show Invitee.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scharo777@xxxxxxx
To: pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: All animals are NOT equal
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:21:38 -0400 (EDT)
<!--CTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//E--><p><span
id="role_document" style="font-family: Arial; color: #000000; font-size:
x-small;"><div>Has anyone thought of going to the Board and asking if
Best In Show dogs could be considered for the Parade of
Greats.???</div><div> </div><div>Even though I just finished a Grand
Champion, I personally don't think that makes her
great.</div><div> </div><div>Just remember - we include a lot of
categories and we made it Free. Right now it takes almost 3 hours to
put on.</div><div> </div><div>Just some
thoughts</div><div> </div><div>Carol</div><div> </div><div><div>In
a message dated 6/2/2011 10:58:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:</div><blockquote style="border-left: blue 2px
solid; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><span style="background-color:
transparent; font-family: Arial; color: #000000; font-size: x-small;">Have
you even bothered to READ the quali
fications to be in the Parade of Greats? It is NOT all about breeding
stock. It is about GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS excelling at one aspect or
another of what our wonderful breed does and/or competes at. Even the
lowly all-breed competitor is mentioned. Only the #1 dog, but, it is
actually eligible to be in the Parade.<br><br>Perhaps we should change the
name of our Parent Club to the American-Style, Colored, Specialty-Type
German Shepherd Dog Club of America, Inc.
<br><br>Paula<br><br></span></blockquote></div></span></p></html>
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