There are good all breed judges that really understand the German Shepherd Dog and there are very bad all breed judges who don't have a clue. And, there are some specialty GSD judges that don't have a clue. I show at both all breeds and specialties but I pick my judges in both venues and I think that is what an exhibitor needs to do. I keep records on all the judges I have shown under. I list what they put up and in my opinion what they like. I use that information along with the knowledge of my handler to decide if I show or not show. If I do not know the judge or have not shown under the judge, I will try them once, maybe twice and then decide from that point on whether I show or not. Like others on the list, I feel a good GSD can win in both rings. With respect to all breed clubs, I have been fortunate over the years to build a relationship with officers of several all breed clubs and now work with them to help build majors in GSDs at their shows. In return, they pick knowledgeable GSD judges and give us a big ring. The two local GSD clubs I belong to, do supported entries at these shows. We donate trophies for BOB, BOS & BOW. In the past four years, we have had majors at their shows. The only drawback we sometimes have is the AKC rep who seems to delight in coming to our ring to stop double handling and the double handling at these shows has been very subtle, but she does have eagle eyes! I would say the great majority of the dogs that got majors at these supported entry all breed shows are dogs that have wins and BOBs at specialty shows. I would encourage all of you to try and work with your local all breed clubs. If you can help them increase their entries, they are usually willing to work with you on judge's selection and ring size. Several of us have also been successful in contacting the Superintendent for the shows after we see that there is a large entry and ask them to provide us with a large ring. This is when we are not working directly with the show giving club. MBF has been very nice in giving us large rings when we ask in advance. It can be a win-win for everyone plus showing good GSDs at all breeds helps educate other judges that are there watching. Kay Springer www.showboatgsd.com Home of Multi BISS & Multi Group Winning Ch. Rohan's Reward TC,CGC,HT,CD,RE,CHIC "Strider" 72 BOBs - #5 & #6 GSD 2009 On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Gsdjudge@xxxxxxx wrote: > In a message dated 4/6/2010 6:05:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > InquestGSD@xxxxxxx writes: > Listen guys, if more specialty clubs would get together with the AB > clubs, > > many times the AB clubs will ask for our input for judges > > > Our club president asked the AB club for a group ring if we > supported the > shepherd entry. They gave us the group ring and we pulled a 4 point > major. > Next AB show we'll ask them for a good judge, of course i felt the > judge > that gave Mary Turisses bitch ,Cholla, that we co-own the 4 pts. > was a good > judge. ; ) Cholla can win in AB and specialties. > Bud > > > = > = > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE > IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE > EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST > MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. > VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx > . > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org > NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ > = > = > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================