>I have seen the show many times (Dog Whisperer) and I must say It gives > me a different aspect and outlook about temperament in dogs. I have a > tendency to agree the problem is with the people and not the dogs. SNIP . JMO only, so please don't hurt me. I > hate pain. Yall have a great day. > Louie While in general I agree with Louie and all... That is the general rule, to which there are exceptions. Just as genetic surprises give us things we do not want physically, the brain is also a physical organ and both personality and temperament do have some genetic predisposition - at least that seems to make sense to me. Over the past 50+ years I have had 2 dogs I could not train or control. Now I am not the guy on TV, but I've done a bit of training in my day, and have been called "The Dog Whisperer" by some of the folks in these parts before the TV guy appeared. Now I am certainly not laying claim to his title nor comparing myself to his wisdom and expertise, but I am simply laying a foundation for saying - I almost agree with you all - ALMOST! I just have experienced some exceptions that preclude my whole hearted AMEN! And, come to think about it, back in the dark ages when I was playing COP on the streets of Colton, there were some people who were exceptions also. I've met some truly evil people who had normal siblings and good parents. And, the 2 dogs I mentioned came from great stock. There was just something wrong in the head. Anyway, while I tend to agree with some of my educational background that environment shapes the personality, I am tending, as I grow older, to suspect that genetics is the groundwork for which environmental shaping is necessary. Just another perception, Dave ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================