In a message dated 4/23/2006 10:27:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: Pretty amazing and it really does show that people are the problem....not the dogs. You've hit the nail on the head Cindy. It never ceases to amaze me what "our" dogs overcome and the silly notions people have that dogs have to deal with. How many times, though usually well intentioned, do you see people get a dog (or dogs) and treat them like little people, surrogate children, or surrogate human friends or companions? While it's wonderful for humans and there are medical studies that prove over and over the health benefits for humans to interact w/ pets, treating dogs other than dogs and not understanding the way that are hard wired can often sc--w up the dog! Then, too often IMO, you have folks who misunderstand the role of "pack leader", letting ego get involved or perhaps worse, thinking they have to man handle their way into the role. Wrong, wrong, wrong! I've taken dogs that some would consider tough, and when they realize they don't have to carry the burden of leading themselves, you can almost hear a sigh of relief that they can just relax and be a dog. Different dog! It's a pretty insecure/scary place for a dog to be when they think no one is in charge! Much of what Cesar does is common sense to me, but then again, I grew up in a "doggy" family. I've always evaluated a dog by stepping into their space while not making eye contact. If they move aside, easy...they don't want to be a tough guy/gal! My family's first GSD, gosh, 40+ years ago was a rescue male that was on his last day at a shelter. Everyone there was afraid of him. Not only did mom and I take him but his first stop on the way home, since mom was car-pooling, was to pick up a bunch of school kids who piled into the back of mom's caddy w/ the dog, lunch pails, book bags and all. We knew he'd be fine and he was. His body language, his reactions in the 20 minutes or so we had with him before picking up the half-dozen or so children were all right on. No mystery. No nonsense w/ who eats first, where he could sleep, who goes out the door first or rolling on the ground to prove who's boss (!!!), no man-handling (he was a full grown male and we had a nylon slip collar for goodness sakes, so defiantly no forcing anything!), just good old fashioned dog sense. I've always found dogs (unlike people) to be 100% consistent. Do something 100 times, 1000 times the same way and you get the exactly the same results/reaction. (The exception of course would be a dog suffering from an illness.) Our rescue was a great dog BTW! Intimidating as all heck if someone would let him be; oh he could play the UPS man (!!!), but walk into his space and if he could have talked he'd have said "oh, ok, never mind then". Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================