In a message dated 8/25/2005 1:15:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, plushpuppyohio@xxxxxxxxx writes: In order to breed correct animals, you HAVE to understand the Standard. That is correct. My point was that the Illustrated Standard is to show what the correct conformation is. To breed you need much more than knowing what a dog should look like, or how it should move. You need to understand that an extreme dog bred to a bitch with no angles will not produce something in the middle. You can combine blue and yellow to make green. But if you breed an extreme dog to a straight angled dog you will get extreme and straight angles, not something in the middle. Breeding based on just what you see is doomed to failure. Genotype and Phenotype are very important, and if you only think phenotype will work, you will fail in your breeding programs. All an illustrated standard will do is how you what you should look for, not what the dog will produce. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================