I have sat here and read all this crap about this breeder and that breeder All I can say is as breeders we all have to answer to the things we do and who we hurt. I have known Jim since I joined the club many, many years ago. I have known Edie since she was young and have spent alot of time traveling to shows with her. As you all know traveling with someone to shows and sharing hotels you really get to know someone. I do not have to defend them as there is no need to. They are both VERY ethical people and would never hurt anyone intentionally. This will all blow over and Jim and Edie will be on top. Brenda Piele ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================