In a message dated 6/16/2009 5:36:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, vande0 01@xxxxxxxxx writes: Oh for God's sake. What next? I can't imagine what these idiots would think of Bill Koehler;s (sp?) methods. His training techniques were what I cut my teeth on and used for years and still have as the foundation of my interaction with my furkids. I would lay down my life for my dogs and they get the very best I can provide.....but, in the end, they are the dogs and I am the alpha one who makes the decisions....it is not a democracy in my house and never will be. Cynthia There are many of Bill Koehler's methods I have used too Cynthia. His book is one of the first I bought back in the early 70's. His cure for digging is one of the best because it works. When society lost "hard nose" with its kids, it mushed up everything it did. Back in the "very good ol days" when a young kid broke the law, a stronger police approach worked on those kids. Now all they know is the "you cannot speak to me that way or touch me". With the neurotic teaching methods of some of these dog trainers, our dogs pretty much are the same.....for some owners. Molly Trillia German Shepherds since 1972 ph 409-287-3940 Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont (recording secretary), Life member CKC "The greatest discovery of any generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitude"-William James **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823265x1201398681/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================