Mike, I agree.I think that everyone just wants a champion when they start, no matter what ring. After that you should startto improve on what you have and breed for quality, not just a champion. I love specialties and would just do those, if there were more of them, but an really deserving champion should be able to win in both rings under knowledgable judges, not just judges that look at the other end of the lead. Ann Home of Sel Ex # 6 Ch Maxwell, Sel Ex Ch Gilley and #1 Dam Muggles - owner/breeder of 66 champions and 19 ROMs --- On Sun, 8/24/08, BlackHawk Farms LLC <blackhawkfarmsllc@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: BlackHawk Farms LLC <blackhawkfarmsllc@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] ALL BREED/SPECIALTY CHAMPIONS To: cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx, ruready8336@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:10 PM Not meaning to sound like a cynic, but when the day comes when my AKC Certificate reads, "Champion of Record" (Finished with specialty Majors) or... "Champion of Record" (Finished at all breeds only)... thats the day I will worry about it. An AKC champion of record is a AKC champion of record. Doesnt matter if its specialty, all breed, finished in Puerto Rico and South Dakota or at the national specialty. Michael Lynch BlackHawk Farms LLC North Highlands, CA =========================================== ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================