The Panda's grandparents were not DNA'd though. What color are the Piebalds registered white or black? I will wait to see if the Panda is white or black registered to hear back from you. As Dr Neff after he left UC Davis put out a very interesting article on this. Theresa -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 10/28/13, barbara17236@xxxxxxx <barbara17236@xxxxxxx> wrote: Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: AKC Piebald and Panda colors? To: scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, October 28, 2013, 11:56 AM The Panda puppies were DNAed. Cindy DNAed the mom, the puppies, and the owner of the sire, DNAed him. Parentage was proven. You do realize the color codes on GSD applications are not the ONLY color codes permitted? Those are the codes used most often. White (199) use to have to be written in on the papers. I will ask Cindy what color codes she uses for her Panda colors, and let you know. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd Not the grandparents as which are they registered as white or black in color? Theresa -----Original Message----- From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:47 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: AKC Piebald and Panda colors? As the Piebald was never DNA'd for Parentage no proof of that one. Realize also the Panda could have had a different breed in the backgound as DNA'd of those either. So are these dogs registered as black or white dogs as there is no Color Description for the spotted gene color. Theresa -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 10/28/13, barbara17236@xxxxxxx <barbara17236@xxxxxxx> wrote: Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] AKC Piebald and Panda colors? To: scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, October 28, 2013, 11:06 AM Because they ARE German Shepherds. Any offspring of two AKC registered dogs, of the same breed, are eligible for AKC registration. Unless, one or both parents are LIMITED registered. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:07 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] AKC Piebald and Panda colors? As we contact the AKC hopefully this could be addressed too... How does the Piebald and Panda fit into this as AKC does not even have that color listed. Why are they being AKC GSD Registered? I think the comments sent should be addressing that too. http://www.akc.org/registration/colormarkings.cfm German Shepherd Dog Colors Color Description Type Code Bi-Color S 454 Black S 007 Black & Cream S 010 Black & Red S 014 Black & Silver S 016 Black & Tan S 018 Blue S 037 Gray S 100 Liver S 123 Sable S 164 White S 199 Theresa ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================