say if there is no BJ then there is no BOB..... What do you think??? I dunno I think its good that you have each breed represented in each group. See usually there is BJ just not a all specialties. Because it's differen't. Like think about it you don't get a point towards westminster or eukanuba for being the only one in your class for juniors in any class. That's just the way it is. Who knows junior handling at GSD specialities might start to pick up more if more juniors start to get intrested in showing in juniors. Tha's the only problem really, not enough gsd juniors. If you go to this one juniors website it shows the statistic on wins and points.( for those of you who don't know that much about juniors when you start you have to go through three novice (junior, inter, senior) wins the get moved up to open (junior, inter, senior). You have to get 5 first place point to be invited to eukanuba and 10 first place points to get invited to westmisnter. Then theres the other points you recieve like if theres ten kids in you class and you place second you get 8 points, or if you get BJ and theres 30 kids all together you get 29 not counting yourself. ) i believe there's only 8 gsd juniors ranked as the top juniors in the country and there's still space for two more juniors and the points aren't too high i believe the lowest points you need to have is 14. so yea thats my opinion. Melissa Chavez gsd & cwc ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================