Had I not been at work all day I could have headed this off earlier. When Margy wrote and sent the Admin post about promotion, the one about Yasko had not even been sent to the list yet, and none of us could have even known it was coming. (At least none of the admins had seen it.) Those of you who think the admin post was in response to that email are completely off the mark. Also ... Contrary to some of what I've read tonight... List rules have not changed. If anything, we are more relaxed about their enforcement now than we have ever been. Perhaps that has been a mistake? The bottom line is simple. Everyone on the list agreed to abide by list rules when they signed up. Most listers do not have a problem with that, and in fact understand the need. None of the admins enjoy having to take action against any lister, but we understand and carry out the occasional need for that, as that is part of our job. Every subscribed lister has the right to disagree with the rules, but understand that those rules are in place because Administrators past and present found a need for each of them. In fact, our list rules are very similar to virtually every email list's set of rules. Other lists have been formed, usually by people who think they can do better, and I wish them the best of luck. The Showgsd-l is still "Da List," and I have to believe that its structure is a primary part of that. We have never intended to "police" this list, and that is why each of you agreed to the rules before joining. We do expect people to do their best to adhere to list rules, and I do not understand how anyone could think that is unreasonable. We also provide an email address on every post for any of you to send your complaints or suggestions to. I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that complaints about the list should be sent to that address. We don't normally give our individual thoughts on administrative matters because we do act as a group, but I will say that when "I" see complaints about how the list is run, posted to the list, without ever seeing them sent privately to the admin address, it is not much of a stretch to assume that the purpose of those posts is intended to be malicious toward the list and its administration. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to email me privately, because I would rather understand your reasoning than think that any of you mean to harm this forum. Tom Langlitz Showgsd-l Administrator ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================