Sheri, the Administration is sensitive to your concerns, and to the fact that Showgsd-l exists specifically to support=20 breeders, exhibitors and judges of American-Canadian lines in AKC/GSDCA/CKC/GSDCC venues. In recent years there has been a great deal = of outcrossing done with import lines within our group, the GSDCA-WDA has evolved, and therefore the lines are not quite as bright as they used to = be. However, you are right that what this List is about is the AKC/GSDCA/CKC/GSDCC style of showing, and the AKC/GSDCA/CKC/GSDCC style = of dog. That has not changed, nor will it ever change. We too remember = how and why this List came into existence, and we continually work to = maintain it in that exact spirit. I posted Christi's application to see if anyone on the List knows her, = to act as her sponsors and to vouch for the fact that she is in fact = interested in learning about American and Canadian dogs and shows, and if so, she = too would need to understand that that is the express purpose of Showgsd-l. = If there is not a fit, either with this lady or other applicants, their applications are not accepted since, as you quite rightly observed, = there are lists which exist specifically for the purpose of supporting German = and Import lines. Never fear - promoting personal preferences for imported lines or non-AKC/GSDCA/CKC/GSDCC competition is not, nor will it become, = acceptable on Showgsd-l. Margery Golant Showgsd=3Dl Administrator -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of PARAVELLI@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 6:01 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: This is gonna get me in Trouble Boy, I know I'm going to stir things up with this post but here goes: = After I read this application my first thought was "why is this person=20 interested in joining the showlist?" Its pretty obvious by their = biography they=20 aren't into the AKC/CKC style of dogs and showing. There are members on this=20 list with German line dogs who are interested in showing in the AKC = venue and do=20 so, thats fine. But, it sure looks like this person is actively = involved with=20 the SV style of showing, not a member of the GSDCA, but USA, SV, WDA = (which I=20 know is a part of the parent club). Its easy to say yes to all of the=20 stipulations required to join, then once in try to promote their = personal=20 preferences. I didn't join this list to wade through all of the warring e-mails on the=20 German vs American line threads, but to talk about the style of showing = I=20 prefer... AKC. I am one of the founding members of this list, coming = over from=20 the first list created that fell apart from bickering. I have been in Colorado,=20 ACTIVELY showing and involved with the specialty shows our club (Rocky=20 Mountain GSDC) has put on every year since I joined in 1990, including = show chair=20 several times. Not once have I seen this person (kennel) show in our = shows or=20 in the all breed shows that I have attended. They state that they have = been involved in local, regional, national and soon to be world shows, but I don't=20 think it is the AKC style. I see many applications from people with = their first=20 German Shepherd, that want to learn more about the breed and maybe even = show their dog, and that is wonderful, I hope they enjoy the list and get bit = by=20 that great bug called "showing". But I just don't understand why = someone who has=20 chosen to show the SV style of dog, with strictly German/Import lines = wants=20 to join our list. Its really not being narrow minded or prejudiced, = because=20 there are a bunch of lists on the internet that consist of members = involved with=20 exactly that style of showing, along with working lists, obedience = lists, even=20 people who love their pets and aren't interested in showing. People, = this=20 list is about breeding and showing in the AKC/CKC venue. Period. Sorry guys,=20 this is how I feel... join the list that has your best interest at = heart,=20 whatever that may be. I'm on the one that is mine. Sheri Chambers Paravel German Shepherds home to: CH Clayfield Murphy's Romance CH Brentaryl's Red River CH Paravel McKinley v Stuttgart At the rainbow bridge: Totana's Brick of Piper Hill, Marlin's Bacardi,=20 Morganlied's Cantata "Kennel Name: Adel Haus German Shepherds name: Christi Lanckriet City: Julesburg State: CO clubs: USA, WDA, SV, DVG, FCI 2_sponsors: I do not know who all are members of this list.... Description of Dogs: I own both German working lines and=3D20 = showlines.... We are home to the following=3D20 studs, World Universal Sieger V- Camp = v.=3D20 Muhlteich SchH 3, FH 2, V-Rick dei Verdi Colli=3D20 SchH 3, and SG-2 = Half v. Aalenbach ScH 3 Our females include SG-Xaviera v. Klovensteener=3D20 Forst SchH 3 (National Qualifying), G-Maya v.d.=3D20 Rabauken SchH 1 (in training), V-Xinti v.d.=3D20 Bildeiche SchH 3, V-Vessa v. Bad-Boll SchH 1, V- Wilma v. Waterloo SchH 1, V-Pitra v. Monchberg Biography: We are a family who is very active in all areas=3D20 of the = GSD World, ranging from Working trial, to=3D20 the showring to 4-H Obedeince....and everything=3D20 in between. We have participated in Local,=3D20 Regional and National events and in 2005, we will=3D20 also participate on a world level. We love our=3D20 dogs, and we love = everything that the GSD=3D20 represents. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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