There are times when we are damned if we do, and damned if we don't. There are times when there is no perfect solution. That has been the case with the National Judging thread. It became very nasty, accusatory, and personal. Personal attacks are against the Rules of Showgsd-l. Because of this, an Administrator attempted to close the National judging thread. It was done with the best of intentions. However, the solution proved to be worse than the problem - even though some posters stopped posting, because there are well over 1000 List members, people read their posts sequentially, with the older ones first, not realtime, and the topic continued. New posts continue to show up, and it is impossible for the admins., who have full time jobs and other responsibilities, to manage everyone's posts. We cannot possibly restrict and pre-read everyone's posts. However, we will not allow the List to be used for personal battles and attacks, and anyone who uses to attack will lose their posting privileges. We don't believe that it serves the purpose of the List to suppress discussion of topics that are of interest to the members of the Fancy, and aside from the personal issues, it is certainly relevant and of interest, so that only leaves us the option of suppressing POSTERS who forget or ignore the rules. So, here's the way it is: You have opinions that's fine. You have something to say, that's fine. Some are angry, or upset. However, even so, it is possible to discuss this like responsible adults, to air the issues, without being nasty without personal attacks. Post on this, or any topic ther Rules allow, but make certain that you do not violate the Rules (which can be found at: http://www.showgsd.org/rules.html ) - in particular "Personal attacks, hostile, accusatory posts, in word or in tone, are not allowed." So long as the rules are followed, all is well. Think carefully before you post, reread your post to make sure it is civl before you send it. If you aren't sure if it's ok, it probably isn't. If anyone violates these rules, the only practical intervention will be to prevent those people from posting. If you post civilly, and someone responds with an attack, please hang onto your self-control, and do not respond. If we see any personal attacks. we will stop posts from that person. Remember that when you post to the List, your email is going to over 1000 email addresses, and that most email addresses represent households of more than one member. So, that is a substantially larger group than was at the GSDCA Annual Meeting or Victory Dinner. Please conduct yourselves and make your posts with that in mind. Please remember that most or all of the people who are affected by what you say are probably List members also, that all involved have thoughts and feelings. People can disagree and discuss without throwing mud at one another. We really hate censorship, don't want any part of it, don't want to be List Police. So long as everyone is mindful of the Rules, there is no reason why you can't police yourselves. Margery Golant Showgsd-l Administrator ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================