Unfortunately, this is true. When I first saw vicious things posted about me, I momentarily thought about withdrawing - that my good name was not a price I was willing to pay, even to help the GSDCA. But, on reflection, I realized that Jake, Lee, Carolyn and the others who have posted about this today are right - if any candidate is pushed out of the race because of these ugly tactics, it means that the tactics worked !! That is the exact wrong result. The right answer is to continue, and to let the people spreading lies and dishonor show themselves for what they are. It is upsetting to me to see these things, it is upsetting to the other candidates, even those not the subject of the attacks. I have spoken to a number of the other candidates - all agree. No one can allow this to work - and no one will. Do keep in mind, those of you inclined to mud-slinging, insults, personal attacks, etc., that you are doing damage to the GSDCA, to the morale of its members, and to its future. It needs us all, every one of us, whether we win, or whether we lose. Do we want people who might in the future to consider running for office to hesitate or to refuse because they are unwilling to be trashed ? Astounding that it has come to this.....!! Common goals, good will, camraderie are supposed to be the point of membership in the GSDCA - all for the purpose of perpetuation and enjoyment of our wonderful breed. There is a clear way to stamp out evil rumors, personal attacks, nasty comments, paranoia and accusation - close your ears (and eyes) to it. When someone tries to tell you ugly things, refuse to listen. Don't provide an audience. The List Management will also be discussing measures to deal with this situation. As Tom said in his post, the List has become very important to the Fancy - and we owe it to the Fancy not to permit the List to be the downfall of the GSDCA or of the democratic process. Margery Golant P.S. Leave it to Flower Boy to come up with a showstopper subject line like this one - and right on the money !! ============================================================ From: "Liane Fossland" <lfossland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 2005/10/03 Mon PM 02:07:37 EDT To: "sally" <sally@xxxxxxxxxxx>, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breast Feed with Sour Milk As long as this world which we call our universe has been existence there has always been good and evil. Most of the time these "bad apples" appear when the good ones are the most vulnerable and go in "for the kill". We all have seen this happen time and again. It will make us stronger in the interum and should not not keep us from our goal. Lee Liane Fossland Home of Ch. Donar, Loni,CD, Auburn, Kara Mia and Windy www.steppenwindgsd.com EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: Sally <sally@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; freelist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 10/3/2005 10:14:46 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breast Feed with Sour Milk > > The totally sad part is that we are loosing our friends everyday and then > some one who does not even appear to participate in AKC activities can cause > this type of uproar in an AKC club > > sally > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edwin Hill" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:55 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Breast Feed with Sour Milk > > > > You know its hard to read some of these things on the list, and on that > > person's website attacking Lew with out getting depressed, something that > > I am prone to anyway, I remember when I was about ten or so when I would > > get upset and mad, which was very often, my Southern New Orleans bred, > > grandmother would say..." Boy...you acting like you was breast feed with > > sour milk"...took me years to figure out what the heck she was talking > > about...there are too many folks in the dog sport that must have been > > breast feed with sour milk...FB > > > > ============================================================================ > > POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the > > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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