[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ADMIN- My resignation

  • From: "Margery Golant" <mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:58:09 -0400

No Dania, the List will not be less fair after Tom's resignation.  The =
List
is all of us, the ideas expressed on it the ideas of all of us.  =
Personally,
I valued Tom's input, even when I disagreed with him, and there was more
than one occasion in the past when I persuaded Tom to remain when he
indicated he had considered resigning, but he has been much less active =
on
the List in recent months, both as a regular member and as an admin - =
until
the past couple of weeks when he started posting again with some =
frequency.
As he said himself tonight, he continues to be a member, will still be =
here.
Life has a way of taking over sometimes, just as it has done for me
recently.  The fairness of the List, or the lack of it, will come from =
the
thoughts posted by its members, not by who is or who is not an
administrator.

That said, all of the admins have all always done our best to be fair =
and
will continue to do everything we can to be fair.  While we don't
necessarily agree, we have all recognized that what is fair where the =
List
is concerned is not necessarily the same as what we prefer in our =
personal
opinons.

Like everything else, the List has changed over time.  One thing that =
has
changed a lot since the early days of the List (when there were fewer =
than
100 people) is that, with the much larger group, the administration has =
done
much less intervention than it used to.  The idea that a group of people
could caucus to decide what to do about a thread when hunreds of people =
get
involved in a heated discussion is just not workable anymore, as it may =
have
been once upon a time.  Besides, by definition, intervention is =
troublesome.
List members are adults, over 1000 of them.  They are entitled to =
discuss
their opinions, whether popular or unpopular.  We dislike interfering, =
other
than perhaps to express our own opinions, even if we vehemently disagree
with what is being said, hated being referred to as "the List police" - =
that
was never what any of us wanted the List to be.  It is too valuable as =
the
commuication superhighway of the fancy to be patrolled by traffic cops.  =
The
thing that makes it "fair" is to allow people to speak their minds =
freely,
and to provide the vehicle for them to do that.  That is what I see as =
the
real value of the List.  Furthermore, as was recently demonstrated when =
the
Scholes thread emerged, stopping discussions and threads is very =
difficult,
due to the timing of posts, the timing of subscribers' reading of posts, =
and
the serial way people read and respond.  Since the days when you were an
Administrator, we had pretty much concluded that no matter what, there =
will
always be some people who prefer that we intervene, and some who prefer =
that
we do not.  Whichever direction we take, the opposite position will =
always
be there, and some will be perturbed.  Given that, and that the List
membership is comprised of adults, mainly avid fanciers with intense
feelings about the Breed, the Club, the sport, the wisest course is
generally to let water seek its own level, and not to interfere when =
people
want to express themselves.  That was, after all, one of the most =
important
ideas behind the birth of the United States, the freedom to express =
ones'
ideas, and the value of the ability for the fancy to communicate is the
value the List brings.

Besides, there is a great deal more to being an administrator than =
having an
opinion - there is a great deal of behind the scenes maintenance and =
plain
hard work.  There are over 1100 subscribers.  Invariably some of them to
have technical problems, questions and difficulties requiring technical
assistance, starting mail, stopping mail, needing something.  Most =
people
would be amazed to know how many hours of time go into keeping the =
wheels
turning - it is virtually a full time job, and we both have fulltime =
jobs as
it is.  As more people have joined the List over time, the maitenance
workload has gotten heavier.  The nuts and bolts work has, as Tom has
indicated in the past, been shouldered primarily Zoe and me, and in the =
most
recent past, with the personal issues I have had to deal with, Zoe has =
often
had to struggle on by herself.  We have periodically asked for =
volunteers to
step forward as new administrators.  Part of the challenge is that a
substatial level of technical literacy is necessary in an administrator, =
and
even so, a substantial learning curve, and even more time invested in
teaching new people, which is so hard to do when time is so lacking.  =
I'm
sure you remember the hours we spent working together when you first =
came
onboard.  It gets harder and harder to find the time to do that, to =
bring
new admins. into the loop.  Tom, Zoe and I have been in place since the =
very
beginning, so that was not an issue for us, but will be as new people =
come
along and offer to help.  We will continue to do the best we can, and =
are
sure that, with the intensity of ideas held by Listers, there will =
always be
ideas and opinions expressed on every side of every topic.


Margy Golant



-----Original Message-----
From: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf =
Of
DaniaKarloff@xxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:44 AM
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ADMIN- My resignation


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In a message dated 8/25/2006 10:31:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, =20
Gsdman2@xxxxxxx writes:
I am  sorry, and a bit relieved to inform you that I have decided to =
resign=20
as =20
an administrator of the Showgsd-l


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I was sorry to see Tom's decision to resign as a List Administrator.   I =

believe the List will be less fair, less knowledgeable and less  erudite
with his=20
departure.  No matter what the subject was, you could  always count on =
Tom
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be reasonable, honest and fair minded.  I  can only hope that the =
remaining=20
administrators (Margy and Zoe) will follow  Tom's advice and seek to
increase=20
the number of Administrators to  ensure that different opinions are
considered. =20
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A sad day.
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Dania - A former Showgsd List Administrator
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are permitted without prior permission of the original author  AND of the 
Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 

ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY 
MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS 
PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY 
FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE 
PROSECUTED. 

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