Stormy I read what you posted and I've also been receiving updates from the PA Federation. The jist as I see it, is that mostly Internet sales will be affected. I do see that if you ship sight unseen (i.e. ship a show puppy) you could be considered a retail establishment and come under the proposed rules. If a prospective buyer comes to your home to view the puppies a breeder would not be considered a retail establishment and would not come under the regulations unless they exceeded a 4 breeding females limit (on site). The upside, as I understand it is that this would make PUPS bill all but go away for small hobby/show breeders by cementing the retail exemption. (That's the condensed version). The PA Federation was taking comments and not speaking for them, but from what I see, was trying to carve out an exception for show (competition) breeders shipping puppies out of state and was maybe looking to tweak "four". BTW, four in an increase from the current rule, three. I don't understand the definition, as written in the info, of "breeding female" but it looks to me if I am and not breeding a gal, she isn't counted in the four. Back to Internet sales. This is a HUGE problem. I get calls daily, (BC Chair) people looking for someone to complain to. 99.9% of the time they and the seller aren't club members and there is not a darned thing I can do about it but listen and wonder how they could have been so....wellllll...stupid. I go to some of the web sites they purchased their puppies from and I am beyond dumbfounded. I'll spare you all the details but I invite anyone to google what a prospective pet buyer might google and share my reaction. Of course the buyer, out of state, has no recourse. Here is a link for anybody that hasn't seen the info: _http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publications/animal_welfare/2012/retail_pets_faq. pdf_ (http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publications/animal_welfare/2012/retail_pets_faq.pdf) So, for a lot of us, this rule, especially if it makes PUPS go away, is at most, a nuisance and far less than PUPS would be. We'll just make other arrangements for the very occasional show puppy going out of state site unseen...perhaps co-own them for 60 days? Or maybe the new owner can take a red-eye <VBG>? Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 5/25/2012 11:38:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stormy435@xxxxxxxxx writes: Since my last week has been smothered with people on Facebook and personal emails (not from GSDCA members) about the proposed USDA/APHIS rule changes, I am curious why there has been so little interest on the various lists that GSDCA members post or even privately to me. It is very curious, and I'm at a loss to figure out what's happening. Somebody help me? I did post all of the relevant alerts, my own little bit, etc., so it isn't as if the message didn't go out. Stormy Hope GSDCA Legislative Liaison CaRPOC VP www.carpoc.org https://www.facebook.com/CaRPOC.CaliforniaResponsiblePetOwnersCoalition ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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