Our white dogs work & perform the function of every solid GSD, Many know and see that. I keep reminding you we were accepted once. To put our DQ off on the SV is an interesting argument. Especially when a few years ago the GSDCA blew them off entirely when they wanted you to accept their standard word for word. So it seems only the argument against whites is one you like?? No one wants you to breed white dogs, just dont BAN them. My friends in white are responsible educated breeders. For heavens sake where would the fancy be without participants willing to spend money, time & dedication?? Its a necessary evil to think of revenue and followers or the game dies a slow death. Thats a simple reality. Im not being disrespectful here just honest and sensible. On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Ruth Scheubler wrote: Seems like I must be confused AGAIN! I thought that the reason there was a standard was to tell the difference between one group of dogs and another. It is because of the standard that the dog at my feet is a GSD - looking a specific way, acting a specific way, and moving a specific way. What makes a breed is that some people decided that they wanted a specific set of traits in a dog - they used to be based on function - and then breed towards that "ideal". When you start a breed you work with what you have and selectively breed to get to where you want to go. So this breed started off with some dogs who had wiry coats, long soft coats, drop ears, were white, and any number of other characteristics which were used because they also offered some traits that were highly desirable. So breeders would breed towards the ideal, removing dogs who showed the unwanted traits as they were able. Now some want to add "increase the number of people competing at dog shows" to the breeding requirements? You know there is was "breeder" out here who used to have a full Easter Basket of colors you could buy - all shades from sable through black to liver, blue and white, lots of "pastels" - and all coat lengths. They were all registered as "German Shepherd Dogs". And she could easily have added numbers to the entries. Heck if we had divided Open classes, she could have filled them all. And she would have received ribbons 'cause we changed the standard to allow for those dogs because we wanted the entries. Everyone on this list says they are "breeding to improve the breed" - is breeding away from ideals doing that? We have enough people who breed for ribbons and not for correct dogs as it is. If people want to breed white or purple or pinto - fine - but do so as part of a white, purple or pinto breed with that as your ideal. Breeds are no more than definitions - and a breed label does not really determine if an individual dog is good or not. Good dogs can be in any breed or mix or non-breed. But to call them good "German Shepherd Dogs" you make an assumption that they have the traits described in the standard. Ruth "When it comes to the last hour of your life, it will be a great consolation to feel that you always protected the poor, the helpless, and the unfortunate; and that you excercised a particular care toward animals."--Caroline Earle White ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================