I was wondering: 1) It seems that a "reserve" anything should be awarded the win if the original winner is disqualified for any reason. A Silver Medalist in the Olympics receives the Gold Medal if that person is DQ'd for whatever, be it for drugs, doping, or something else. Without those advantages/violations the Silver Medalist may have won outright rather than through default. However, I realize it's only the Olympics- no comparison to a dog show. 2) With respect to "closed meetings", is there ever a time that much secrecy is necessary- really necessary? None of the postings I've seen on The List seem to warrant a closed session. If there no compelling reason for closed meetings, then why not change the club rules to forbid them? DUH! Or if you prefer, we can cotinue to flagellate ourselves and this issue until something else inane pushes it off the ":front page". Charlie Lovestead Farm. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================