In a message dated 5/21/2005 9:05:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Ok..someone explain this to me..I thought the SG title was given to young dogs..that were not old enough to attain their SchH3..as you had to have the 3 to get a V rating. Also..I always equated our "select rating with a V rating..meaning the Select rating should be viewed as 'recommended for breeding...ie the dog could offer improvements to one's breeding program. Someone out there knows the answer to this..please explain..and explain it as if you were talking to a 6 year old! C.Grainger ================================================================= I am sure that someone with more knowledge than me will write and give all the details. I have only been to Germany twice and can't say that I understood their whole show process. But this is my take...... They have a VA-1 who is like our Grand Victor - then they have a number of VA dogs in number sequence (VA-2, VA-3, VA-4, etc.)- I equate these to our select category and I do believe that they limit the VA ranking to 10 animals. This group is followed by the V dogs which are of good quality/recommended for breeding but not as good as the VA dogs. There is no limit in the number of V dogs. Every dog shown is ranked in numerical order and I do think they have another category below the V quality animals. You are right that the SG titles are given to young dogs under two years of age and who do not have the advanced performance degrees. That is all I know. Dania ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================