In a message dated 7/5/2006 8:39:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: Evan I'm not sure why you have to have bred five champions to have witnessed or be counted as those that know of crooked judging PS - i haven't been showing dogs for 30 years I rest my case. I suggested those who had been winning express how crooked they think the judging is. It is no secret that many of those who whine about judging are those who either do not show, have stopped showing, can't win, or avoid the specialty shows. They may have their own reasons. I guess there might be crooked judging, but I still stand on my position, that I have not seen it, and find it unlikely, (in the specialty ring). I would find it unusual if someone who has finished five dogs, within the last few years, in a specialty ring, thinks judges are dishonest. Others, maybe so. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================