In a message dated 7/10/2005 6:37:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, klite3gsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: Let's hope the Board of the GSDCA will approve Rally to apply towards ALL the awards that the parent club offers! I'd LOVE to see more Select Champions in performance trials if their owners are so inclined. :-) Kim McNamara Right you are Kim! I don't know why it wouldn't; you need 3 qualifying scores after all and the AKC sure considers it a separate title:) (Rally is a hoot, though not as easy as some would think; in fact, locally the NQ rate is 20-25% in Novice, higher in Advanced and Excellent. I never bothered to teach "finish" until Open OB, but for Rally they need to finish on either side, as well as do a moving down, into a heel again...no sitting please <G>!, a left about turn and a bunch of other stuff that you just can't patten train.) Rally IMO is also a way for specialty clubs to put some much needed $$$$$ in their coffers...easy, easy, easy and cost effective to put on; you don't need all the "stuff" you need for agility and the way I figure, only 2-3 "helpers" per ring...we're doing it and if anyone has questions, e-mail me and I'll be happy to answer. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================