Hi Linda, I certainly agree with you--as long as you have kennel help etc.. I hope you have insight to those kennels that have all the care etc.. Many of our friends do but many folks we all know do not and do not care. Sandi ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx To: jkerner@xxxxxxxxx ; inflight2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; InquestGSD@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Jane Kerner ; Kathaleen Strong ; sandi card Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: 8 litters There are breeders who do exceed the 8 litters. If we stated "8 litters at their property"- some people would simply find a way around the system and claim a litter was born elsewhere. Then we would have something else to attack on the list. (ha ha). I can think of a few prominent breeders through the years who would exceed 8. These breeders contributed a great deal to our breed. These kennels had a staff and the puppies had excellent care. With a few exceptions, most would tell you that the costs far outweighed the profits- it was not an endeavor as a business venture. They never considered themselves "commercial" because it was a passion for the breed, the monetary benefit was marginal or a loss. Yes, a few breeders make money at this. Those "breeders" also put some quality animals in our rings and gene pools. Yes, we have breeder/handlers who make a profit. There are owners out there enjoying campaigning and owning these dogs. I don't really care how many litters any one kennel churns. So long as the care for the dogs is stellar. If you are willing to properly staff the help and give wonderful care, so be it. JMO LindaB -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jane Kerner" <jkerner@xxxxxxxxx> > Let's think about what Linda has asked us to consider. > .........Given the expense and various factors which are currently impacting > the Sport of Pure Bred Dogs generally and German Shepherd Breeders/Exhibitors in > particular......... > > ..........And given that the Futurity/Maturity litter nominations and > conformation show entries are dropping.......... we might like to review what > some ethical breeders in our midst have considered doing to remedy the > situation. > > Two of the solutions are Co-ownerships and the allocation of responsibilities by > net-working with other ethical breeders. > > Suppose Breeder A owns, cherishes, cares for, trains and loves three adult > bitches. > > Just three. > > Breeder A lives in the Northern Tier of States in the Union where the frozen > tundra prohibits winter litters unless the breeder has a separate > climate controlled facility on the property. > > Not a commercial breeder, just a conscientious breeder who tries to schedule > litters in order to be able to exhibit in the Spring and Autumn at the > National............wanting to participate and make a contribution to the > breed. > > And suppose the three cherished bitches all cycle and come in season at the same > time. > > And supposing the bitches when bred, sometimes "miss"........ > > Now what, I wonder? > > Co-ownerships and co-breedings become a viable solution, > > Breeder A finds and works closely with ethical breeders B, C, D and E who also > live in the area.........or elsewhere. > > E ach of them has and cares for three cherished bitches. > > Lets do the arithmetic together.......... > > Five breeders with three bitches each....... > > And they each breed two of their bitches. > > Now there is an on-going breeding program established between them. > > And because the litters are co-bred and co-owned.............and because they > have shared the responsibilities, expenses, time and energy, love, > socialization, whelping, training and puppy playing time........ > > All of our five hypothetical breeders are........ > > The Breeders of Record on 10 litters......... > > Wow. > > There's a plan.......... > > And more than one person has thought of it............and tried it. > > Sometimes we need to be careful what we wish for............ > > Especially when we are trying to plan the oth er guy's breeding program for him. > > =;-D > > Jane Kerner ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================