Cindy, before this turns into another WHITE DOG war...poorly bred, bad temperamented dogs, like people, come in ALL colors....ripping Blk/Tan dogs does not further the cause of White dogs and for the record I say any AKC registered GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG should be eligible for any and all obedience awards Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "cinosamgsd" <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx> To: myjoygs@xxxxxxx, jokaysedona@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:36:23 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2013 WHITE obed Victrix (Ron Halling with Addie & Riley) I'm sure any breeder would be happy to have a one of their puppies with a mostly pink nose go obedience Victor/Victrix.  Guess this change is going to fall under "be careful what you wish for". Ron Halling not only is a great trainer of his own dogs, but also an excellent instructor that often helps people with their BLACK AND TAN poorly bred, bad temperamented dogs. It makes me wonder if some people actually look for reasons to be negative or it just comes naturally to them. Cindy Cinosam On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:06 PM, "myjoygs@xxxxxxx" <myjoygs@xxxxxxx> wrote:  I congratulated him when he walked out with his big trophies and he was soooo proud. I see both sides of this coin and I lean towards allowing the obedience award be given to reg GSD white or not. Its obedience. But I understand the other side as well. Seeing this guy so proud and who evidently worked so hard to achieve that honorable award is the way it should be. JMHO MYJOY SHEPHERDS Joyce Willis -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Partch <jokaysedona@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: GSDCA Showlist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:24 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2013 WHITE obed Victrix (Ron Halling with Addie & Riley) I know Ron Halling and his family personally. I've known them for many ears. I've shown my shepherds with Ron and his family. I'm not just saying his because he's my friend, but Ron is an amazing soul and "dog man" with his ring experience that  many will NEVER claim. He has more spirit than ost. He has this gifted touch with dogs. I know what he went through to rain himself and his dogs for this national. His competition was strong his year. And he did it! Please don't judge him because white was at the nd of his leash. My personal feelings are that only the working class group f GSD members should've voted on this obed., Victrix/Victor ballot. NOT the onformation people! It's a totally different bunch of people in the way hey think. Kathy Partch ww.JoKaySedona.com "All German Shepherd Dogs Rule!" Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Elections (2013 WHITE obed Victrix) The vote changing the requirements BACK to requiring dogs to meet the reed standard goes into effect next year. This year, the premium idn't list that as a requirement so the award was given to Ron's dog. 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