I sent out some options for a CA National that would save money. There are 2 very nice locations in SoCal that could accomodate what we need in space, including C-course herding. However, conformation would be outdoors. Both locations offer large grassy areas so no sod would be required. Both are currently hosting othe breed Nationals or major AB shows. If we want to save money, stop looking at fancy locations. This is CA. How uncomfortable does it get in Oct/Nov? Those are the best months of the year for dog shows. Good grief!!!!! Do conformation dogs really need to have an indoor facility? These are working dogs, for Pete's sake. I think people need to step back and look at what is important. Do you want a climate controlled place to show your dogs? Ok, then donate you riches to that end to make it convenient for you. If you just want a GREAT National, then suck it up and have a GREAT National show. Put up or shut up! The dogs don't care. Ok, that sounded mean. I understand a covered venue in certain climates but the compromise doesn't seem to be happening. ARRGGHHH! Laura Thomas -----Original Message----- From: ELG440 <ELG440@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 11:04 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] 2012 national change In a message dated 1/30/2011 4:59:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, okenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx writes: h have we heard this before! here was a "contract" with the paid $1000. made on Beaumont in the fall f 2004. The board at the time changed the terminology to "booking greement" and attempted to break this over the next 3 years. Members of ur club ought this one very hard and were successful. Get a direction....make a point. OK, here is a suggestion. ince it looks like without changes we would lose money on the national, as we have for the past three years or so, so maybe we should just cut out he national. ow, no one wants that. So, the only solution is to raise income or cut pending. (Sounds like government doesn't it?) es, if we cut spending, it will hurt the members. I guess we could raise ues, (taxes), or cut spending, as they are doing in California. They are utting education, health, police. No one wants that either. his board is dedicated to cutting spending. They are moving the national n 2012 to eliminate $14,000 in site costs and to have it where more eople can drive to the show to increase entries. f anyone has a better idea, let them know. They have challenged everyone o find $51,000 in cuts for this year to make sure they break even. Every rea of the club is being considered. ow many would want to cut the national so that the club will not go under nd can continue to establish the breed standard? ust asking. van L. Ginsburg sgard German Shepherds ttp://www.asgardgsd.com/ here Type Movement and Temperament come together =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2011. 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