In a message dated 11/27/2005 4:46:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, arelee@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Maybe you have your answer by now. It wasn't awarded because there was no National that year. There was no Grand Victrix either. There was a major dispute between two people in the parent Club. The National was canceled. When Ed said World War II he was not far off. Ralph Roberts and Harold Sands, who used to be in business together got into a bit of a war, and the club was not allowed to have a national by the AKC. I wonder if anyone remembers the details by now, and if Ralph and Harold are now talking? I do see them both now and then, and even Fraser and Ali are now saying nice things about each other. I respect both of them and have learned a lot about shepherds from them. Ralph has given me a lot of help in learning how to judge, and I have gotten some of my best jokes from Harold. I doubt that either Ralph or Harold remember what it was about. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================