I agree Penny...I am not sure where John is coming from. Specialties are great, but, face it, it is a very small world and getting smaller by the year! You are right, it does promote the breed when we can show well trained, conditioned and lovely represenatives of the breed at all breed shows. Do all breed judges sometimes make mistakes? Sure, but for the most part they do a pretty good job of picking sound dogs, and, the more we show to them and educate them the better they will do. I have had the fortune of showing and owning multiple breeds and find that there is a wealth of knowledge to be had spending time at all breed shows. Shepherdists can be so insulated if they only hang out at specialties or leave the all breed show at 9:30 in the morning. Real fanciers put the time in to study other breeds, watch the judging and learn about structure...even if it is not a GSD. People will maybe not agree with me and that is their right, but I think that the time I have spent watching and learning about other breeds has made me a better dog person. Cynthia --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Penny & Bill <ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Penny & Bill <ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] . . .my view: We are ONE To: "The List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 7:04 AM A GOOD DOG can be shown in both rings. Most dogs I've shown have been able to do that and ALL should. You talk about the all breed ring as a separate entity; it is NOT. I can't tell you the number of times I've been approached by shepherd people and OTHER fanciers who congratulate me for the wins or just to tell me that they like my dog! More breeders and a lot more spectators see our dogs at all breed shows. If that doesn't promote the breed, I don't know what does! Penny in NC ************************************************************************************************************************** And I am kind of lost by showing your dog at an all breed ring, how does that help promote the ring? It helps the AKC make money, but how does it promote the breed compared to a specialty? Does it have specialties for the gs, does AKC have other venues for strictly the GS? NO!! So tell me how does it promote the breed? John Garnett ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================