[sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
- From: "george bernard" <gbernard@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: sarcmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:37:17 GMT
avery, you are the station master, so i pressume that sometime you will make
a plan for where the radios go in the new console and how they are to be
operated.
we dont need any more blown radios which is the situation in the immediate
past. what do you recommend? george
santa barbara, ca web page is
www.balanceindustries.com for my company cell 818-370-9407
-----Original Message-----
From: Avery Wright KD4GBA
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 7:38 PM
To: sarcmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
Ok� one more thing�.
I do not want to stifle creative discussion, just some of the interpersonal
disagreements I have seen as of late. If you have a valid concern, gripe or
whatever that DOES need to be shared with the entire membership, please use
this list. That is what it is here for. All I ask is that no matter what
your current relationship with each person posting is, please keep it civil,
respectful and above all �free of personal attacks�. The rule of thumb is,
�If you are having a problem with another member, don�t air out your
grievance with the entire membership. Enough said.
I just felt that I needed to clarify my last post a bit and this is the last
I will say about it for now.
Thanks to all for your support of the club and your support of this list.
73,
Avery Wright, KD4GBA
SARC Member At Large
List Administrator/Moderator
From: sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Daniel
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:18 PM
To: sarcmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
Thank you Avery I agree with your comments and leadership
Dennis KM6DF
----- Original Message -----
From: Avery <mailto:kd4gba@xxxxxxx> Wright KD4GBA
To: sarcmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: [sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
Ok...this is where I have to step in. Disagreements are a part of life and
at times can be healthy, other times, not so healthy. If you have a gripe,
disagreement or other type of comment, please remember that this list goes
to ALL members, not just the individual or individuals that you may be
taking issue with. I know it is easy just to hit reply but please keep the
"feuds" off this list. We don't want to make this list "moderated" but it
is an option. (BTW, "moderated" means all posts have to clear the
administrator before it is released to the list members.)
I don't know if it is because I'm an administrator/moderator or what but
when I receive an email from the list the From: line shows "On Behalf Of
(user name here) and their email address. If you don't see their email
address to reply to directly, John has sent out a membership list a couple
of times with all the members email addresses on it. Please look up the
email address for the person you want to reply to and send your gripes,
concerns, etc. directly to the recipient, not this list.
Thanks for your consideration in this matter.
Avery Wright, KD4GBA
SARC Member At Large
List Administrator/Moderator
From: sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Dowler
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:53 AM
To: sarcmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
George
Perhaps you should actually read what I said. I know the CW references, I
cited them � "Consider using capital letters, as well as complete words
instead of "u" and "r" for "you" and "are". I could see such usage on CW,
but it is inappropriate here." I am also a CW operator, and was at the club
CW station two years ago at field day. I have been a licensed ham since
1977. I would be happy to compare my knowledge of ham radio protocols with
you at any time. Maybe I could teach you to spell the word "protocol" while
we are at it.
If you don't care about the money, then why were you the one that brought it
up in your first email in this thread? � "i dont want the amps blown out due
to over driving, i paid a lot of money for them"
I also care about the welfare of the equipment. Remember, I am the one
pushing for the idiot proof station!
I don't need a pat on the head. Simply watching the stuff work is my reward
and my passion. It was when somebody like you came along that I had to
provide an enumerated list of what I was doing. But you really are a case of
the pot calling the kettle black. If there is somebody that needs a pat on
the head it is you. You made it clear that you provided a pencil sharpener
and door handles for the cabinets. Thanks so much.
As for Winlink, I was happy to work on it and see it work. I also was the
one at a board meeting that saw that the club was disinterested and lead the
vote to abandon it. You really need to get your facts straight.
Paul is right.. this should be done in another venue. I would like to quit
tying this up with responses to correct George's errors,
Dave
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From: sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of george bernard
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:15 AM
To: john maetta
Subject: [sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
paul, our club has a history of broken radios due to improper operation,
that is a fact. my only concern is that the vhf gear, some of which is NOT
donated but still mine and being used in the vhf set up, will become part of
this tradition of broken gear. furthermore, the value of the gear which i
donated plus the cash contributions which i have made are "trivial"
compared to other charitable donatons which i have made to ucsb, the sheriff
dept,
and the santa barbara college of law (scholarship program) i really dont
care about the $$, i just dont want to see some guy blow out the amps
because the vhf station is set up as a jerry rig at this time, hopefully
avery wright who is station manager will eventually resolve the broken gear
dilemma with some reorganzation and procedures as the new shelving becomes
completed. until then i am still available to drive up to the club and
show other properly qualified operators how to avoid the possibility of
damaging the radios. as for dowler, he is one of those kind of people who
needs a continuous pat on the head, we have had employees like him and we
usually indulge them in order to keep them happy. i am told that
he came out of the cb world and may not be aware of the history and
protocalls of ham radio, especially the use of "r" and "u" which were
conventions of cw operation. he is bummed out because nobody was interested
in his winlink deal in which he apparently spent a lot of time. by the way,
paul, cul (for dave that means see you later in plain english) george
PS: i look forward to showing our new tech members, joe shrum and steve
clark, how to operate the vhf station, since i was responsible for bringing
them into the club! i am also hoping that some club members will want to
join the civil air patrol where i met these serious minded new hams.
i will be up at the club wed and sunday evenings for net working. harold
and i visited and met the goleta round table guys sunday for breakfast in an
eyeball situation and invited them to come up next weekend for the vhf
contest. i have already had one response from a sr raytheon engr.
santa barbara, ca web page is www.balanceindustries.com for my company cell
818-370-9407
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 02:50:45 -0700
To: sarcmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: pandreasen@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
Don't doubt it a bit George, and thanks! I do think you may have
misunderstood the gist of the message, but thanks for all you've done
anyway!
Paul, K1JAN
At 09:57 PM 6/7/2009, you wrote:
paul, i spent a lot of time cleaning the sarc bathroom as well as pushing
for a great vhf station. ask bob harrison if you dont know what i did on my
hands and knees. george
santa barbara, ca web page is www.balanceindustries.com
<http://www.balanceindustries.com/> for my company cell 818-370-9407
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:44:45 -0700
To: sarcmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: pandreasen@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
I realize I have had little to do with the current affairs and equipment,
having been to few meetings because of health and work over the last couple
of years. But having been a member since 1978, 8 to 10 times as President,(
I forget which) and being the Equipment Manager for around 20 years, I have
to agree with Dave.
George, I really do appreciate all you have done and donated.. Please don't
misunderstand that. But you are not the first to do so. Myself, and through
my now thankfully ex business, I have donated tens of thousands of dollars
to the club over the years, and many thousands of hours. Once I did that, it
was theirs. When I wanted to retain control over anything, I "loaned" it to
the club with the proviso that they give it back in the same condition.
Donate means "give away"! If these areas really do bother you that much,
then I doubt anyone would blame you, or care, (except a greedy few that
every organization has) if you quit donating stuff. But, again, I agree with
Dave. If it has been donated to the club, you have exactly the same rights
to opinion and voice as any other member. Your checkbook IS appreciated, but
only buys membership. And, again please, take this in the manner it is
meant, not as a "diss". You are a likeable guy, and as a dedicated ham, a
valuable asset. Your checkbook doesn't change anything but what you feel
like doing with it. We have had multimillionaires a members, and several
that could have bought Vandenberg! They were still "just" valued members,
NOT "sources". If and when someone does act as generous as you, I really
believe it is greatly appreciated. Being able to "do" something, rather than
just "planning to" is always great. But please, even if this offends you, we
like you for you, not the checkbook. (I do speak for just me, but I would
bet most feel the same). If it does offend you, then ignore me, and I
probably won't cry. If not, and you can take it in the FRIENDLY manner it
was given, I think everyone will like you even more. (We already have too
many members who only function after pats on the back, and having their
balloon inflated!) We DO STILL VALUE them, but it gets tiresome. The last
two years of my business, I donated more to charity than I took home as pay.
I did most of it anonymously, because being "known" as the giver isn't why
it should be done. At least that is my opinion, and opinions being like
other things (a certain body part comes to mind), we all have at least one!
Your enthusiasm and knowledge are what makes you valuable, not your bank
balance.
'Nuff said. 73, God Bless, and hope you are still speaking to me (not down
at me) at the next meeting.
Paul Andreasen, K1JAN
4At 12:47 PM 6/7/2009, you wrote:
I am not turning it over. Access to it is as it has always been. If somebody
wanted to use it in the past, they could have used it and blown it up as
easily as they could now. The only difference now is that we have removed
the added extra complication of moving the cables around. I have not changed
any policy that the club has whatsoever. People should not operate things
they don't understand. I have just made it easier for people to operate in
the easy mode (and easier to understand). In the past, people were
intimidated from using the radio at all because there were no instructions
on how to do so. I really think you should read what I said again. In the
easy mode, they can't blow anything up. The tuner takes care of everything,
and if the tuner can not achieve a good match, the radio folds back if there
is a bad mismatch and protects the final amp.
I would also prefer if you would stop referring to donated items as if they
are still yours. I don't care how much you paid for them, they are now club
property and nobody wants to have them destroyed. You don't have a monopoly
on concern for the items.
Dave KA6BFB
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From: sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
<mailto:sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
mailto:sarcmembers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of george bernard
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:56 AM
To: john maetta
Subject: [sarcmembers] Re: SARC HF station use etc
dave, i think u r making a mistake turning the hf amp over to the general
population, that's how it got blown before. u should be requiring a check
out on this item. if a member is serious about using it , he/she will be
quite willing to get checked out. we are not going to turn over the vhf
ssb gear
to the general population at this time, it is not ready and fool proof yet.
george bernard w6nre ps: i am willing to go up to the club and brief
properly qualified operators on the idiosyncrasies of this expensive gear
i dont want the amps blown out due to over driving, i paid a lot of money
for them.
one of our new techs might make a mess of things unless properly briefed on
how things work, i am sure john portune does not give experience in his tech
classes.
santa barbara, ca web page is www.balanceindustries.com
<http://www.balanceindustries.com/> for my company cell 818-370-9407
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From: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
To: sarcmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sarcmembers] SARC HF station use etc
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:00:51 -0700
All
We finally have a nice shelving system to accommodate are ham shack at the
club. Thanks to Bob for the fine craftsmanship. It looks and functions
terrific. Assembling the station to its final configuration will take time
and money, but one of the HF operating positions is available now for
general use. It will accommodate simple use with the auto tuner, or complex
high power operation without moving cables around.
Here is the FT-840 station. A paper copy of the manual is available for
reference at the operating position. []
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All that is necessary to operate the station in the "simple mode" is to turn
on the tuner mode on the radio, and ensure that the amplifier is off and the
tuner is in the "coax 1 direct" mode, as shown in the terrible cell phone
pictures below.
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Amplifier is off. The PWR and OPR buttons are pushed in on the lower part to
OFF and STBY respectively. This effectively bypasses the amplifier.
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Tuner mode is "Coax 1 direct" so that the tuner is bypassed.
That's it. The radio is now ready for tune and play operation with the auto
tuner turned on. Here is the section from the manual on how to operate the
tuner
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For the time being, the B&W folded dipole is connected to the station. It is
the best all around performer. If you want to change it, you can connect a
different cable to the tuner where the current one is. For those of you that
want to operate the amplifier, be advised it has a parasitic oscillation
issue that you need to be on top of. I am going to order a cheap kit to
solve this issue. If you want pointers on how to use the amp, just ask me
In the long term, we plan to have an antenna switching system that will
allow both stations to operate all of the antenna with a simple selector
mechanism. I will probably send out an email later describing that effort
On another note. All three computers in the shack are now operational, and
the printer is also working for both of them. Thanks to all that donated
monitors and keyboards.
73 Dave KA6BFB
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