Dick, The KPNO infomercial went far too long, with essentially nothing to say that wasn't already in the brochures. He needed to be told (perhaps you did) before he made the trip up from Tucson that he would get 10 minutes maximum. I bet that talk went for nearly a half hour. I made a special exception in asking for 15 minutes instead of 10, and actually had to cut a time-lapse movie out of my talk because of the KPNO guy. I agree with your show-and-tell guideline, but this was a one-off event caused by one person. I hope it doesn't discourage last-minute member presentations, which are often quite good. Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail