AJ; I appreciate your candor and honesty about this subject. In the same way that SAC has always seen that owning land and trying to build big club telescopes on that land would only create more problems than it would provide fun, I think the same is true of trying to provide an observing award program to non-SAC members. Thank you for taking some time to think it over. You are a wise man. (can I borrow some money?;;)) Steve stevecoe@xxxxxxxxx Author: Deep Sky Observing--The Astronomical Tourist Saguaro Astronomy Club web site: www.saguaroastro.org