Rick, I hear you, understand the reasoning behind your position and still don't like it. How would the logistics be handled for getting signatures so people could be allowed access to the site? This certainly adds much more in the way of organizing and controlling the event; something which I would not be very happy over. As I recall, and I'd have to check with Ray to be sure, but I believe his property stops at the fence that has to be opened for us to go through. Not sure who owns the actual property where we all set up. What about the All Arizona Star Party? Should they not be included in this discussion? Let me hear what you, and others, feel about this. aj SaguaroAstro@xxxxxxx wrote: > For now I'd say at least the Messier Marathon. Since that is held on private > land, we be wise to do all possible to limit our & Ray Farnsworth's > liabilities. As the marathon grow's in size and stature, this will certainly > become more important. It would also give and easy way to determine > attendance. >