[rollei_list] Re: [was : Astia] now : use of colour slides
- From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:41:46 -0300
Robert:
I used Rodinal 1+25 at 20ºC, 8' like for the Agfa APX 100,
the Scala processed as slide film reached ISO 200 during the special
process.
Despite Agfa Scala is based on the APX 100, contrast was different, I
obtained denser negs than the APX 100 negs, several of them difficult
to scan with my former bad scanner, I obtained a decent scanning with
the Epson 4490.
I uploaded several samples, this one was published in the Rollei
Magazine edited by John Wild:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itarfoto/440952355/
This is a good sample about the contrast:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itarfoto/440952347/
And this is a scanned sample about the Scala processed like slide film
by the authorized Agfa lab:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itarfoto/556533561/
Carlos
2011/1/11 Robert Meier <robertmeier@xxxxxxxxx>:
> Carlos,
>
> What developer do you use to develop Scala as negatives?
>
> Robert
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:20 AM, CarlosMFreaza wrote:
>
>> Kodachrome was the film linked to my childhood, my father took a lot
>> of Kodachrome shots, they were sent to Kodak at Buenos Aires city and
>> they sent the roll to a Kodak lab at the Panamá Channel American zone,
>> we received the processed slides with the frames after three or four
>> months, wonderful slides BTW. At the ending of his photography liking,
>> my father changed for Ektachrome, it was processed in the country and
>> we had the processed slides after a few days, but it was not like
>> Kodachrome by then.
>>
>> I started to shoot slides at the beginning of '70s using Agfa CT18
>> slide film (ISO 50), it was cheaper than Kodak slide films. Good film,
>> bright colors for the projection, it needed a dedicated Agfa process,
>> CT18 or AP-41 writing from memory, I recall my last CT18 35mm slide
>> film couldn't be processed because Agfa discontinued AP-41 in the
>> '80s. Agfa also had a dedicated process for colour negative films at
>> the time, CN17.
>>
>> I used Kodak Ektachrome 64 during a travel to the Patagonia in the
>> '80s, great results with this film, however it was the last time I
>> used a Kodak slide film, I had an issue with my city authorized Kodak
>> lab, several times they "forgot" I wanted the film processed without
>> frames and delivering me it mounted on cardboard frames saying the
>> Kodak central lab sent the film that way. Problem was not the slight
>> additional cost, problem was the cardboard frames that jammed soon in
>> the projector (several of them) and you needed to open the projector,
>> etc.,etc.I finally disassembled the mounted slides to use plastic
>> frames, it was a double work. I started to buy Agfa and Fuji slide
>> film, these films already came for E-6 process only (or Agfa or Fuji
>> equivalents), I mounted and mount the slides using the frames I want
>> to use. BTW, after E-6 became an universal process you could develop
>> Kodak slide films at any E-6 lab, but I got habit of Fuji and Agfa
>> slide films use.
>>
>> Except for Kodak slide films, I used and tried almost any slide film
>> appeared during the last 20 years, including 120 Agfa Scala B&W slide
>> film, I have two Scala rolls, 24 frames, processed with the dedicated
>> Agfa Scala B&W process, the lab did excellent digital prints from them
>> too; when I project these B&W slides I recall the B&W movies time,
>> very nice blacks and grays show the Scala slides. I also processed
>> Scala rolls like B&W negative and several samples are at my Flickr
>> gallery.
>> I found Agfa RSXII ISO 50 and 100 and Fuji Provia 100 are very well
>> balanced slide films for most purposes, I also like Velvia for
>> landscapes vivid colors and Astia for portraits and certain landscapes
>> and cityscapes, but this year I think to try Kodak slide films.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>>
>> 2011/1/10 Allan Derickson <alland435@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>
>>> I'm happy that the discussion of color slide film opened up. In many ways
>>> slide film is the ultimate test of the photographer's skill, particularly
>>> if
>>> the end result is to be projected rather than printed. With projected
>>> media
>>> all adjustments and manipulations have to be done in the camera at the
>>> moment of exposure. Additionally slide film typically has the narrowest
>>> exposure latitude of all films. The only real way to manage contrast is
>>> through choice of emulsion. Color temperature must be controlled with
>>> filtration. Finally, most slides are not cropped so the photographer must
>>> give full attention to composition in the viewfinder.
>>>
>>> I've often thought that beginning photography students should be made to
>>> shoot slides for projection until they really understand all these
>>> things.
>>>
>>> I like Astia for people shots, Provia 100F for sunny days, and Velvia 100
>>> for cloudy days. Velvia 100 (not 100F) is becoming difficult to find. I
>>> have
>>> about two years of these films in my refrigerator at my current rate of
>>> shooting. That's all the further I'm willing to look ahead.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, one of the best excuses for having lots of cameras is to
>>> always have one loaded with the appropriate film. Last fall I flew to New
>>> Mexico and took my Rolleiflex 3.5F with 0.7 and 1.5 Mutars plus several
>>> rolls of Velvia and Provia to be ready for any contingency. I took my
>>> Rollei
>>> 35S loaded with Astia for people shots. The weather was changing from
>>> sunny
>>> to cloudy and back again. Several times I ended up with the "wrong" film
>>> in
>>> my camera.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-
>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Emmanuel Bigler
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:17 AM
>>>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [rollei_list] [was : Astia] now : use of colour slides
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to start a digression on using colour sldies instead of colour
>>>> negative films.
>>>> Probably I have so many good memories of all kinds of family slides
>>>> that
>>>> I am reluctant to abandon slides. I like the way slides are stored and
>>>> how you can look at them simply against a window. Of course I like to
>>>> see them projected from time to time.
>>>> With modern mini-lab machines like Fuji frontier or other equivalents
>>>> you can get decent prints from slides. From one of those machines I got
>>>> a poster-size (60x60 cm, 24x24") print from a 6x6 B&W SCALE slide.
>>>> SCALA
>>>> has a reputation of being a difficult film to handle, the FUji machine
>>>> scanned it like a colour slide and the print was perfect. OK the slide
>>>> was "printable" but at an amateur level, this is exactly what you do.
>>>> You do not have any client for which you HAVE to deliver an image under
>>>> a certain form. Hence the fact that colour slides do not always print
>>>> well even with a modern digital mini-lab is not really an issue for
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> One situation however where I use colour negs is for family events,
>>>> weddings & other situations of family portraits where you take many
>>>> images indoors with a flash. An a Rolleflex of course ; at weddings,
>>>> you
>>>> always meet an uncle who had a Rollei in the past, childern love to
>>>> manipulate the Rollei TLR, etc...
>>>> Since you are usually expected to give prints to the family after such
>>>> events, ther you are under a certain pressure of your 'clients' ;
>>>> therefore, this is no mystery (!!!!) I have eventually found that
>>>> loading the Rolleiflex with a 400 ISO modern colour neg film (a product
>>>> that was certainly developed purposedly for wedding photography or
>>>> portraits), works so easily ! I have a Metz flash, metric NG 32@100
>>>> iso,
>>>> makes a metric NG 64@400 ISO. Set the flash in auto mode and the
>>>> Rolleiflex@xxxxxx you can't miss any image up to 4 metres (13 feet)...
>>>> my local minilab delivers s scanned CD with my negs and my prints, so I
>>>> can dispatch everything to the family... and I have no hassle looking
>>>> after a digital archive : the negatives properly "filed" or simply
>>>> piled-up at random will take care of themselves for decades even if the
>>>> CD self-erases some day.
>>>>
>>>> This is the noticeable exception wher I prefer coulr negs.
>>>> But for outdoors ... nature ... montaineering ... family camping ...
>>>> for
>>>> me : "slides rule" (no pun intendend ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Ahem : who said in the audience : eh, now you can project digital files
>>>> directly ;-)
>>>> --
>>>> Emmanuel
>>>>
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