"828 Bantam is an imperforate paper-backed 35mm format, 8-on, 28x40mm image, introduced in 1936." - Roger Hicks, on the Rangefinder Forum. By 'imperforate' Roger means there be no sproket holes punched in it. Films for Classics may still have it in Portra 160 - its on backorder at B&H. -----Original Message----- From: Don Williams [mailto:dwilli10@xxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 04:39 PM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: [rolleiusers] Argomania At 02:10 AM 1/11/2010, you wrote: Yup That pretty much sez it all. I like to think that without Argus's ability to dump truly affordable 35mm cameras on the market we might not have had 35mm as the dominant format. Perhaps 126 would have won out or a totally new film format might have been created. Javier What was the sprocket-less format Kodak had at the time, 828 or something like that? DAW