Sorry, but I have to take issue with these statements about the Bessa II, and since I actually own and use one, I do have practical experience with them ;-) I have a version with "only" the Color-Skopar, but it is a very usable camera. It accompanied me for the last two years on my Indian adventure (and about 75 rolls of mostly B&W), and while it does have the usual 6x9 folder issues (e.g. film flatness issue gives you about a 6x8 usable negative), it has a fairly accurate range finder, and the negatives are tack-sharp. It was my "big camera" whenever my 4x5 & tripod was not feasible (quite often in India). The one thing I didn't like about it, was the Tessar-style lens which requires an f8 or so for optimal sharpness (which often created constraints in available-light shots), so I just got a Kodak Medalist II (with a 120 Conversion from Ken Ruth) since it has a Heliar-style lens... The key is probably (as with any 50+ year old camera) to get one that is in good shape, and then get it properly CLA'ed... Cheers, Mike ________________________________ Mike Bischof Phoenix, AZ The Photo Blog of my Indian Adventure: http://geocities.com/nbg90455/blog.html ; ________________________________ ----- Original Message ---- ...snip... Yes these cameras are rare and expensive ( Bessa iis) also they have a very primitive rf, Apo Lanthars fetch the most Followed by Heliars followed by Colour Skopars. The lenses are said to be legendary on all. ...snip... This is absolutely true, a waste of the lenses! Most Voigtlander cameras are mechanically excellent. The Bessa is an exception and in no way does justice to the lens, particularly when fairly well used. ...snip... This is absolutely true, a waste of the lenses! Most Voigtlander cameras are mechanically excellent. The Bessa is an exception and in no way does justice to the lens, particularly when fairly well used.