[rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
- From: "Austin Franklin" <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:29:03 -0500
Hi Eric,
Agreed! A number of cameras and autos come to mind. How about those 30's
French cars that are just absolutely stunning pieces of art, but I wouldn't
drive them down to the end of the driveway without my toolbox and a tow
truck.
Regards,
Austin
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Eric Goldstein
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:22 PM
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
>
>
> Exactly my point, Austin. For example, in the realm of industrial
> design, many Eames chairs are considered artistically of merit, yet
> their functional design was flawed and their assembly spotty at times.
> There have been functional design changes over the years to these
> original designs, under license, with improvements in fabrication as
> well, yielding a more functional product. So this is not as
> straight-forward as it may seem...
>
>
> Eric Goldstein
>
> --
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Austin Franklin
> <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > Even some of the most artistic "things" out there aren't very well
> > "crafted". There certainly is a huge distinction between
> craftsmanship and
> > artisanship in a lot of cases.
> >
> > To you question, that depends on the item.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Austin
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Eric Goldstein
> >> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:08 PM
> >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
> >>
> >>
> >> This raises an interesting question. Here is a thought puzzle... Think
> >> about a Tiffany lamp. Or a Chihuly piece of art glass. Or a Barcelona
> >> Chair. These objects are all executed in quantity by craftsmen under
> >> artistic supervision. Some by hand, some by machine.
> >> If the design were poor or uninspired but the supervision in execution
> >> was superb, is there still a high level of craftsmanship?
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric Goldstein
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Austin Franklin
> >> <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > Hi Marc,
> >> >
> >> > "Craftsmanship" must be considered throughout the entire
> process. Just
> >> > because something is "hand assembled" doesn't mean it's
> >> "better". If the
> >> > design is not done properly up front, film or digital, then the final
> >> > product will suffer as well, no matter how much hand
> involvement is done
> >> > during manufacturing.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Austin
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Marc
> James Small
> >> >> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:54 PM
> >> >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> At 12:44 PM 11/6/2009, Austin Franklin wrote:
> >> >> >Hi Carlos,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Machined camera parts, body included, made by CNC machines
> >> will be far
> >> >> >better in every respect than ones machined by hand. Even
> Rollei most
> >> >> >certainly used CNC machines, not humans, to machine the
> >> later TLRs. And
> >> >> >before that, they most certainly did not hand machine every
> >> >> body etc. they
> >> >> >used jigs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You clearly don't understand the process of making an
> >> >> electronic device such
> >> >> >as a high end digital camera. The sensors themselves are very
> >> >> expensive, as
> >> >> >are the ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits) that
> >> >> are in these
> >> >> >digital cameras. There is FAR FAR FAR more "hand" work and
> >> >> craftsmanship
> >> >> >that goes into designing these ASICs, the mechanical design,
> >> electronic
> >> >> >packaging, printed circuit boards etc. for these cameras than
> >> >> went into ANY
> >> >> >camera EVER made. I know, as I design digital imaging
> >> >> devices...including
> >> >> >the ASICs that go into them. This is not all done by machine.
> >> >> You don't
> >> >> >understand it, so you can't appreciate it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Austin
> >> >>
> >> >> I believe that the point was being made on the
> >> >> manufacture of digital cameras, not on their
> >> >> design. I agree that the production of both
> >> >> today is essentially by CNC machines with a minimum of skinware
> >> >> intervention.
> >> >>
> >> >> Marc
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
> >> >>
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