In a message dated 10/20/2005 11:53:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, sstoney@xxxxxxx writes: Let's face it: we photographers are gun nuts in disguise. We might as well admit that we are SHOOTING, not "making an image." Today my partner and his son were examining a family heirloom: the grandfather's World War II pistol, a .45. I was in the other room, listening. They were taking it apart, firing the "shutter" so to speak, and speculating about whether it could be cleaned, lubed, and adjusted so that it would be useful again (what with all the hurricanes and the need to defend one's water and gasoline in interminable evacuation traffic jams, etc.) I realized that this is the exact kind of thing I do with old cameras from about the same era. I just HAVE to get them up and running again, no matter how impractical and silly and sometimes expensive it is. The Rollei may be a chick camera, but it is a chick camera for chicks who are crypto-gun nuts. It may be less phallic looking than, say, a Hassie, and it may be true that you hold it over your belly and shoot from the womb, but it is still a gun in disguise. It's a weapon of mass communication. --shannon --- Rollei List Shannon: I debated whether to mention a few similarities yesterday since I rarely post anyway, having just purchased a new old stock Steyr-Mannlicher M9 9mm semi-automatic and after a good clean and lube, took outside to run the four magazines empty on a paper target. Truly invigorating. It has eye controlled auto focus and shoots very well. Moulded in metal to plastic frame in some ways is not unlike my Nikon F5, just not as sticky and easy to hold during the rigors of battle. A lanyard might help but the F5 or Rolleiflex would make a great bludgeon should one run out of ammo in a situation. Long ago while in High School covering an away game, I fended off the theft of my Mamiya C33 in just such a manner. It's a tough world and chance favors the prepared mind. I'm going to lay down now. (^: Lance