This version of the Apogon http://komamura.co-site.jp/Rollei/e/pd/28FX.html appears to be very similar to the classic 80/2.8 TLR Planars Eric Goldstein -- >> Le 24/09/2012 11:11, Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx a écrit : >> >> > Well, I also saw the new website. Reason that now all lenses are >> > marked "Apogon" maybe the following: DHW just did not get or was not >> > able/willing to pay the license fee to Zeiss for using their brand >> > names for the lenses. Maybe the license Zeiss granted to Rollei is >> > still hold by "Rollei", not by DHW. And the negotiations to use the >> > brand names came out with a negative result. So I believe they exactly >> > continue to make the same lenses as under Zeiss brand name but mark >> > them Apogon. As all patents are expired, they of course can just >> > continue to make the lenses. Dirk >> >> Hello all, hello Dirk >> >> The reasons invoked by Dirk are excellent and are not in contradiction >> with the use of non-Zeiss lens designs as well. >> >> For example, a look at the schematic diagram for the SLR / 7-element 80mm >> apogon (available on the new web site) shows that this is not the Zeiss >> design. >> >> Speaking about DHW : I was at the photokina in Cologne last Saturday >> 22/9/12 and Sunday 23/9/12. I can tell you that I am not at all coming >> back with the idea that everybody is now taking pictures with mobile phones >> (called "Handy" in Germany **see note 1 below) or computer-tablets. >> >> Reason #1 is obvious when you queue in the morning before the opening of >> gates, you cannot imagine that all people coming there have no interest in >> photography, except taking pictures with mobile phones. >> >> Reason#2 is obvious when you come back from this famous trade show: >> the number of manufacturers for tripods and ballheads is simply amazing >> !!! So far, I've never seen a mobile phone or a tablet taking pictures >> firmly secured with a ballhed on a tripod : coming soon ? >> ;-);-) >> >> Coming back to DHW : I did not have time or did not dare to start a >> conversation with the DHW people, but there were lots of people at their >> booth. Everything was there on display like 2 years ago, the whole TLR line, >> the 600x, and the HY-6-2. Plus a few niew things. >> >> I saw the new 2,8FX-N TLR with an Apogon-branded name, and the 55cm >> minimum focusing distance. So far the only disctinctive feature visible from >> outside of the 2,8FX N is a "tulip-shaped" lens hood ; I have no idea why >> they introduced this kind of hood usually associated with zooms, instead of >> the good ol' solid square lens hood ;-) >> >> Coloured Rollei-35 cameras with mirror-polished chrome top body were on >> display, and our beloved SONNAR 2.8 - 40 mm now is called Apogon as well. I >> doubt that this is a new design, hence Dirk's explanation is the right one. >> >> ** note 1 : in Germany, you'll hear many English-sounding words, like >> in French. Some of them are the genuine English words with the same >> meaning. Some other words look like English, but nobody uses them >> outside the German-speaking world or the French-speaking word. My >> favourite are, in German : the Handy for cellular or mobile phone >> (OK this is true German, Hand is ... hand) and : BEAMER, for a >> video-projector ;-) In French the most infamous Frenglish words >> are: "tennisman" for a tennis-player, "caméraman" for a >> movie-camera operator, and, the worst of all horrors, >> "aquaplaning", an absurd barbarism, this is when your car begins to >> slip totally out of control on a very wet road ;-) --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list