[rollei_list] Re: age old digital vs film debate...again...was RE: OT Ancient Computers

  • From: jon.stanton@xxxxxxxxxxx
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:13:00 +0000

The $400 film & processing expense was for the very last batch of film he shot.

The $20k for F&P in the previous year?  Yes, he did shoot a lot...slides and 
negative. He wore one of his Contax cameras out.....Contax Service said it was 
one of the heaviest used cameras they had seen in a long while.

He  traded his Contax systems to either or both KEH & Camera West (Monterey) 
for a lightly used D200. He has since upgraded to a D3 and a couple of 
R8's...all used.

He has a Mac laptop loaded with Photoshop given to him by a friend...does not 
own a printer. He edits his shots, burns a disc and submits the disc to his 
client.

An example of how "frugal" he is....   He buys clothes at the Gap, wears them 
for a week usually w/o changing...moves on to the next location and "exchanges" 
them at the next Gap..


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx" <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Hi Jon,
> 
> I'm curious what's included in that $400 "film and processing" costs for
> digital (and the $20k for film for that matter).  It can't contain much
> digital media, or storage, or computer to store them on or much of
> anything.  The cost of digital "film and processing" is largely masked by
> claming you need those other things...but you *really* wouldn't need
> terabytes of storage unless it were for the digital images.
> 
> Film is say $3/roll, and processing is $7/roll, including prints.  If you
> get rid of the print costs (which would be fair if you wanted to compare
> apples to apples), it is $2/roll, so a total of $5/roll.  At $20,000/year
> divided by $5/roll that is 4000 rolls.  Shooting 200 days of the year,
> that's 20 rolls/day or 720 frames/day.  For a total of 144,000 images/year.
> Not impossible...but that's a lot of work.
> 
> 144,000 images shot digitally (say with a 16M sensor) saying that the
> images compressed are ~7M bytes each, that is near 1T byte of data.  It can
> be less though, depending on how much loss you want.  If you want to save
> 16 bit raw, each image is 16M x 2 bytes/color x 3 colors or 96M
> bytes/image.  About 14T bytes of storage.  To store 14T of images, you'd
> need 28 500G drives at $150 each or $4200.  You'd need a controller/SAN
> (add another couple of thousand $$) and you still don't have any back-up,
> but RAID would be a good idea.  Then, you've got all the time you'd need to
> spend dealing with all these files...and drives...
> 
> So, for raw-ish costs, OK, I buy that digital can appear to be cheaper, but
> I don't believe that is an apples for apples comparison...if you factor in
> the time needed to administrate the digital images/storage equipment, I
> think it's closer to a wash.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Austin
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  jon.stanton@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:16:17 +0000
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: age old digital vs film debate...again...was RE:
> OT Ancient Computers
> 
> 
> I have a friend/tax client whose tax returns I have prepared for years that
> "converted" from film to digital. His film and processing costs dropped
> from just over $20k to $400...he wondered why he owed taxes!  (He refuses
> to pay quarterly estimates) This is a guy that swore with his right hand on
> the NYT (Holy Scripture in his mind) that he would NEVER -EVER go
> digital...Then his clients required it...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Hi Austin,
> > For the Motor racing Pros I know who send loads of files back to their  
> > magazines it is much cheaper, but more work. One told me he could save  
> > the cost of 5 new cameras per year in film costs alone. OTOH it is  
> > more work for them. In the old days at the end of practice they were  
> > the first to the beach, film stashed in a bag. Now they are straight  
> > to the pressroom to download.
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