[rollei_list] Re: age old "digital vs film" debate...again...was RE: OT Ancient Computers
- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:01:53 -0800 (PST)
A box of negatives/transparencies contain the images themselves, they don't
need means to be interpreted and shown. If some of your descendants are
interested about the family story, the box will be preserved because the person
is seeing images directly. In my family there is someone keeping til 120 years
old prints and negs and there is someone restoring very deteriorated images in
the computer obtaining new silver grain paper prints (a good analog-digital
combo). A lot of negs and prints were lost along the years, but others could be
preserved, it is a blessing to know your great-great-grandparents,
great-grandparents faces and little parts of their life (and grandparents too
if you did not know them). Your ancestors gave you the chance to know about
them, you could give the chance to your descendants to know about you; if they
don't keep your images, you'll never know about it.-
Carlos
--- El mié 14-ene-09, Thor Legvold <tlegvold@xxxxxxx> escribió:
> Will your children, grandchildren do this for you? Will your
> pictures be of interest to them, or just something else to
> clean out when your gone? Would a box of
> negatives/transparencies be treated differently than
> grandpa's PC (or stack of DVD backups)...?
>
> Thor
>
> On 14. jan.. 2009, at 03.41, Douglas Nygren wrote:
>
> > I'm sure you do this every day.
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Peter K. wrote:
> >
> >> You would transfer the images to a newer media.
> Simple. Few retain imags in DVD these days anyway.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Shannon Hong
> <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> The other problem with Digital data is
> storage.
> >>> Computer storage technology keeps evolving,
> standards/formats keep changing. CDs and DVDs don't last
> forever especially the recordable kind (Dyes fade, storage
> devices fail/become obsolete). HDD spindles wear out and
> fail over time. Even digital data is prone to corruption.
> Multiple copies should be made and stored on separate sets
> of media to ensure that you have redundancy.
> >>>
> >>> One has to keep transferring the data to newer
> storage mediums and if you have a lot of data this may or
> may not be a PITA. While one needs to store film well, once
> you have done so, you don't have to do the above every 5
> yrs or so.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:47:51 -0800
> >>> From: genej2ster@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: age old
> "digital vs film" debate...again...was RE: OT
> Ancient Computers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On reflection, there ARE a lot of ways in
> which digital cameras have become superior to film cameras.
> Convenience and operating cost are 2. No way I could
> provide my local ballet company with 1000 exposures of a
> performance on film. Neither they nor I could afford it.
> And the resolution and total visual information on a good
> 10-plus Mpixel camera can be very high. I did a 40 inch
> tall poster that looked really nice. I am probably going to
> buy a 5D Mk2 here pretty soon because it is such a powerful
> tool for these kinds of things. I will not be giving up my
> film cameras though; and it is not just because I am so
> sentimental about the medium. I really do find the response
> curve of digital sensors to be significantly inferior to
> film as of my Rebel Xsi or my buddy's 5D. Not even
> close really. The transition to shadow or highlight is so
> much smoother and more beautiful on film to my eye. Everyone
> who looks at the prints notices it. The 5d MK2 is supposed
> to be better. I will reserve judgement. In any case, I
> have no doubt, the gap will continue to narrow, and one day
> I WILL be using film because I just love working with it and
> my old cameras, enlargers, etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Frank Dernie
> <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> On the contrary, Frank, I believe both
> statements to be true. In all my recent experience digital
> -is- in all practical ways superior to film. OTOH it is a
> matter of personal choice so if somebody wants to use film
> that is fine by me :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 13 Jan, 2009, at 16:46, Eric Goldstein
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Frank, glad to read this much more
> reasonable and modest statement
> >>>>> about digital's capabilities, and
> your own personal abilities and
> >>>>> tastes, in contrast to this earlier
> statement:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In all practical ways digital has
> exceeded the capability of film for some time. Certainly if
> there is an
> >>>>>> effect which one wishes to
> achieve, using a vintage LF lens for example, film may have
> to be the
> >>>>>> choice but that does not make film
> better, just an appropriate choice in some circumstances.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eric Goldstein
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM,
> Frank Dernie
> >>>>> <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> I quite agree, a matter of
> personal choice. I get p*ssed off when people say
> >>>>>> it meeds 67, or choose any other
> number, megapixels for digital to match
> >>>>>> film which is patently ridiculous.
> Which film? what other parameter than
> >>>>>> resolution?
> >>>>>> I get better dynamic range, a
> smoother look and plenty of resolution from
> >>>>>> digital. My prints look more 3
> dimensional and real - particularly skin
> >>>>>> tones. I still like the look of
> B&W film for portraits, actually, but not
> >>>>>> for anything else.
> >>>>>> Some photographers prefer film so
> for them it is better, obviously.
> >>>>>> best regards,
> >>>>>> Frank
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 13 Jan, 2009, at 13:56,
> austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But that doesn't mitigate
> that the other works "better" for others, and no
> >>>>>>> amount of discussion is going
> to change that. Even if it is as simple as
> >>>>>>> someone likes to use a
> particular camera, that's good enough IMO.
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