----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM SCHILLEREFF" <FRWILLIAM@xxxxxxx> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: [rollei_list] XTOL > We had this discussion about a year ago but what was > outcome of our XTOL developer conversation? I use TRI X > 400 most of the time and use Microdol X. There is a > question about the continuance of this developer and the > replenisher is already gone. So how does Xtol and > replenisher stack up. > Bill > Microdol-X at full strength will give you about as fine grain as the film is capable of but loses nearly a stop of speed. Xtol will give you more grain but also around 1-1/2 stops more speed. The grain will be intermediate between Microdol-X and D-76. I think enough is known about the Microdol-X formula to duplicate it. It is essentially D-23 with sodium chloride added. Sodium chloride (table salt) acts as a fine grain agent. Microdol-X also probably includes something to suppress dichroic fog. This may not be necessary if the developer is not re-used. Ilford Perceptol is similar in action but, according to its MSDS, contains a large amount of Potassium Bromide as the fine grain agent. I am pretty sure the MSDS has changed in the not too distant past. By memory it was similar to Microdol-X. I don't know if this reflects an actual change in the formula, an error on the MSDS, or bad memory on my part. I think I have the older MSDS on a Zip disc somewhere but my last Zip drive died and I have never replaced it. BTW, I recently suffered the sudden death effect of Xtol. Kodak sent me a replacement package which I have not mixed yet. They could offer no explanation but stated that they had not had many complaints about the five liter packages having problems. That does not exactly tally with traffic on the mailing lists or Usenet gruops I subscribe to. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx