Richard, The Patek Phillipe is almost finished, thank you! Jerry Richard Knoppow wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:54 PM > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: WTB: SL66 thingies > > > Perhaps there is... Kingslake does not classify the > > 5-element Gauss > > lenses as symmetrical nor even semi-symmetrical. In fact, > > he is so > > strict about his classification of symmertical lenses that > > even the > > Opic-types do not qualify... they are classified as > > "unsymmetrical > > double-gausses" > > > > > > Eric Goldstein > > > That is Kingslake's classification, he is being very > rigorous. In his book on lens history he definitely > separates perfectly symmetrical lenses from those having > similar construction but different powers in each half. For > instance, he calles the original Planar a symmetrical lens > but the Opic a non-symmetrical one. The curious thing is > that he includes the Schneider Angulon in his discussion of > symmetrical lenses even though it has a similar shift of > power from one side to the other. > I think this overlooks the way symmetry works in a lens. > The idea is that the three lateral aberrations in each half > have similar values but opposite signs and will cancel, at > least to some degree. In a completely unsymmetrical lens, > like the Tessar, this doesn't happen because the two sides > of the stop have completely different properties. The front > (as normally made) has an overall negative power and the > back positive power. In fact, the Tessar uses the front > section to correct the aberrations of the back, the front, > of course, being a negative lens, will not form an image. > The back will form a highly aberrated image. > Lenses of the symmetrical or partially symmetrical type > have aberrations and powers distributed in both halves and > both halves will form images by themselves. > The 5 element Planar or Xenotar looks at first sight as > though it has no symmetry. In fact, it has quite a lot. The > approach to this design was to eliminate one element of a > Planar type by combining the powers of two of the elements > into one. In the Planar, and its decendants, the cemented > surfaces in the negative elements are used to correct > chromatic aberration. Where a wider choice of glass is > available its possible to correct the chromatic by means of > the positive and negative elements in the half lens. So, in > the Xenar one has a front positive element, a negative > component composed of two cemented elements, and, in back of > the stop, a negative element consisting of a single lens, > and a positive element consisting of a single lens. The > arrangement in the 5 element Planar is a little different > because it is the front component that has the cemented > surface, but the overall arrangement is the same i.e., four > components arranged as +,-, stop, -, +. Again, both halves > are positive in overall power and will form real images. The > distribution of power and aberrations is such as to obtain a > significant amount of cancellation of the lateral > aberrations. This cancellation is one reason this type > performs better at large apertures than the Tessar. In > addition, the Planar either five or six element, has much > less oblique spherical aberration that the Tessar. Since > this aberration, like coma, is dependant on image height, as > well as the aperture, having some means of correcting it > allows the use of larger apertures and and allows a larger > image field for a given aperture. > The three Wynne patents Kingslake cites for the 5 element > lens are worth reading. > USP 2,499,264 2,487,749 2.487,750 > Also, see if you can find one of Kingslake's books on lens > design, he wrote a couple and goes into this more > completely. Another good book on lens design that is > reasonably understandable is _Modern Lens Design_ Warren J. > Smith. This has run to a second edition. If you are rich get > the second, otherwise the first edition is just fine. Smith > was one of the developers of the lens design program now > known as Oslo, and, like Kingslake, is a particularly lucid > writer. > > --- > Richard Knoppow > Los Angeles, CA, USA > dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.0.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 05/22/2006 --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list