Roger: The Vito at least has the fill range of shutter speeds (1-1/300, I believe). The Vitorets are worse. They only offered three or four shutter speeds. My first camera in 1973 was a Vitoret D - extremely limiting. Jan ======From: "Roger M. Wiser" <rwiser@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:52:21 -0500 Jan, You are right ! I can buy a nice B on eBay for $20, which is better than a C, with a Skopar lens which is better than a Lanthar that I have. I think that the Vitos were not the best camera of the Voigtlander group. Your comments settle it. I will take it apart attempt to clean it, not spend $20 for a manual or $50 -$75 or more for a cleaning. What can I lose time and a low investment. Roger --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list