[rollei_list] Re: "There is a 220 Rollei T"
- From: David Seifert <dseifert@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:22:42 -0700
OK, let me state categorically, that I never intended to say or imply
that there was a T that would take 220 film. There is no such beast! I
did state that Prochnow reports the existence of 250 special order T
cameras that produce 24 24x36 images on 120 film with a special mask
kit. These cameras produced 12 6x6 images on 120 film when the mask set
was not installed. Therefore, there are/were 250 T cameras with 12/24
frame counters. THEY DID NOT TAKE 220 FILM!
All other T cameras are equipped with 12/16 frame counters. The later
ones are also capable of having the Rolleikin 2 installed.
Is this unambiguous now?
David
Peter K. wrote:
>I have the T with the mask. I can do 12 exposures of 6x6cm without
>mask, and 16 exposures of 6x4.5cm with the mask.
>WHen you insert the mask, it pushes a small metal rod of sorts that
>move the counter from 12 to 16. I also have a Rolleikin for the T, and
>when I use this the only thing I need do is make sure the pressure
>plate on the back is set to 36mmx 24mm.
>
>I do not doubt the claim that somewhere in existence is a custom T
>that is capable of 24 exposures, but according to Prochnow himself Ts
>NEVER had 220 capability.
>So this must have either been an error or it was a special run that
>was never sold.
>
>Peter K=20
>
>On 4/22/05, David Seifert <dseifert@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>>Jim,
>>=20
>>My reference was only to the first model (PR184 and PR184/1). The later
>>models (beginning with S/N T2,157,000 - July 1961) are, indeed equipped
>>for the Rolleikin 2. According to Prochnow, these cameras are equipped
>>to do the 12/16 trick as well and have the option of either 4x4
>>(Superslide) or 4x5.5 masks. The pressure plate would remain in the 6x6
>>position and insertion of the film mask would set the film counter and
>>transport to 4cm frame height (and thus 16 frames per roll).
>>=20
>>David
>>=20
>>Jim Somberg wrote:
>>=20
>>
>>
>>>According to my two Rollei T's, the film pressure plate is settable to e=
>>>
>>>
>ither 6X6 cm or 24X36MM, the latter with a Rolleikin, of course.
>
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Seifert
>>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:34 PM
>>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: "There is a 220 Rollei T"
>>>
>>> Ardeshir Mehta wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Friday, April 22, 2005, at 07:02 PM, David Seifert wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Marc,
>>> >>
>>> >>You were only partially in error. The units in question were equippe=
>>>
>>>
>d
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>>> >>with a 24 frame counter. The camera still used 120 film but produced
>>> >>24 smaller (24x36?) on the film via a masking system. We went throug=
>>>
>>>
>h
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>>> >>this last year in more detail than anyone cares to recall.
>>> >>
>>> >>Best Regards,
>>> >>David
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Oh? This is interesting! Are you sure the prints were as small as 24x=
>>>
>>>
>36
>
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>>> >mm? Could they have been 30x60 mm?
>>> >
>>> >A.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Ardeshir,
>>>
>>> Just for you, I look this up again. According to Prochnow in Rollei
>>> Report 2 page 409 there were 250 units of this type built in June 1961=
>>>
>>>
>.
>
>
>>> He notes that these were "Direktverkauf, nicht gelistet", direct sale,
>>> no price listed. I interpret that to mean that these were a custom
>>> order batch. The customer is not mentioned. They used 120 film and
>>> produced either 12 6x6 images per roll or 24 24x36 images per roll usi=
>>>
>>>
>ng
>
>
>>> the special mask kit. Thus, they had a 12/24 frame counter.
>>>
>>> For the record, the standard model of that run (56,000 units) came wit=
>>>
>>>
>h
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>>> a 12/16 frame counter equipped to do 12 or 16 exposures per 120 roll.
>>> The mask kit produced 16 4.5x5 images.
>>>
>>> Thus spake Prochnow!
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>Peter K
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