That is an incredible price for a common standard zoom, the 2.8 f stop does not justify that price, anyway it was a lot more expensive than the 4/80-200 second version, both brand new HFT Tokina: DM 1588 (1989) and DM 498 (1989) respectively. I have the Rolleinar 4/80-200 first version, Mamiya MC, there is a printing error in the Report IV, the first version is Mamiya (MC), not Tokina and the second version is Tokina (HFT), not Mamiya, I say printing error because the description is right for both lenses, MC was the multicoating for Rolleinar-Mamiya lenses and HFT for Rolleinar-Tokina lenses. This zoom is very good, it's very sharp if you shoot 1/250 and faster shutter speeds camera handheld, however it can produce a slight image distortion for square and rectangular objects in the foreground shooting at the longer focal lengths -150 to 200mm- with wide f/stops, it is imperceptible for most people but I got it. I have a Pentax 2.8/200mm tele lens from 18 years ago, I used once the 2.8 f stop and I rarely use the f 2.8 in the C Xenotar, this portrait is one of the exceptions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/itarfoto/344264153/ Carlos 2010/3/31 John Wild <jwild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > Thanks Carlos, > > I will look at Report IV when I get home. > > I always thought the f2.8 80-200 looked a 'nice' lens but they were very > expensive. I never came across one until I saw one at the London > Photographica Fair a few years ago. It was mint, boxed and the German seller > was asking about £1000 for it...! I haven't seen one offered since. > > John > > On 31/03/2010 11:15, "CarlosMFreaza" <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> John: >> It is mentioned in the Report IV with a complete diagram >> (page 47-932), it did not integrate the QBM lenses "official program" >> but Schneider sold it from 1973 with adapters for the most popular >> SLRs including the QBM mount. It's a heavy zoom, 1635g, in comparison >> the Rolleinar-AT- X Tokina zoom 4-5.6/50-250mm weight was 720g only. >> Other Tele lens I did not mention yesterday is the fast Rolleinar zoom >> AT -X Tokina 2.8/80-200 and there are a Mirotar 1000mm, and Rolleinars >> mirror lenses I did not mention. >> >> Carlos >> >> 2010/3/31 John Wild <jwild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: >>> Carlos, >>> >>> I've never seen mention of the Schneider Variogon 4/80-240 in the QBM >>> mount??? >>> >>> I've seen the Mirotars and Tele-Tessars because they use the bellows unit >>> for focusing. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> On 31/03/2010 02:15, "CarlosMFreaza" <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>> Jan: >>>> Rollei QBM cameras including 2000/3000 have a very complete >>>> long lenses line, from the 2.8/135 Rolleinar; 3.5/200 Rolleinar, >>>> 5.6/400mm Rolleinar, Schneider Variogon 4/80-240, 2.8/135 Zeiss >>>> Sonnar, 4.5/500mm Mirotar; 8/1000mm Tele Tessar, the impressive Night >>>> Observation Device RF 900 , the Night Vision system SL 2000F, etc. I >>>> have the 3.5/200mm Rolleinar, it's an excellent lens. >>> >>> --- >>> Rollei List >>> >>> - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' >>> in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >>> >>> - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with >>> 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >>> >>> - Online, searchable archives are available at >>> //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list >>> >>> >> --- >> Rollei List >> >> - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' >> in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >> >> - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with >> 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >> >> - Online, searchable archives are available at >> //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list >> >> >> > > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list