Hello Jan, I think you are right they are both good choices that you have mentioned, the Pentax I know from personal experience being an able performer, and they are pretty compact too. I think for the slight difference in size that you get with a compact SLR or RF the advantages of using either far outweigh the best miniature 35s with their inherent limitations and yet compact size. The Rollei 35SE from an aesthetic viewpoint is beautiful. Regards, Marvin. _____ From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jan Decher Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:28 PM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Portability choice of camera, was: Rollei 35S, SE Marvin and E. You could say the same thing about a Pentax MX with 40mm SMC lens or a Contax Aria with a 45mm Tessar. Superbly portable and sharp. Pentax is the only company that really continues this tradition of portability in their digital line (esp. with the new "pancake" lenses) Both Olympus and Kyocera missed the boat here. Jan On 2 Oct 2007, at 02:31, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote: --- marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx escribió: I always disliked the shirt pocket adage to the camera, and that's why I mentioned practically for all intents and purposes its as easy to travel with an M3 for example. The M3 is a little bigger and heavier not so much that you would notice the average man that is, howerver, the advantages of a M3 far out wieght the negatives in comparison to a Rollei 35. I would love to be proven wrong by viewing good portaits or documentary taken with a 35. Marvin. From: eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx ..... To each his own, of course, but the R35 can't be easily dismissed as mountain climber camera. E.