I have come to grips with the agitation by being extremely careful in doing one inversion every 15 seconds with a 90-degree turn before the next agitation. As much of a hassle as it sounds, it does give very repeatable results. You might want to also try Ilford FP4+. It seems to do extemely well with PMK Pryo. Where is your blog? URL? Jeffery Smith New Orleans, LA http://www.400tx.com http://400tx.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul K. De Angelis Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:27 PM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: PMK Pyro I use it all the time. In fact, just about every film image on my blog is PMK and Neopan/Across. Great film, great developer. The only problem with the larger formats, in my experience, is that you need to be super careful with agitation, especially with a skies. It's easy to get flow marks and such. If you under agitate, you will definately get some kind of marks. If you over aggresively agitate you can also get them from the developer foaming. I use PMK with Neopan for 12 mins at 70 degrees. Try it, you will definately be satifsfied. - Paul --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list